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Posted: April 25, 2009 01:03 am  | |||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133    | Hi dur, mi naem chemp, i r gud idea maekr!!!  Ok, so down to business. I've been thinking of a few ideas to make WG overall better, but tell me what you think, some of my idas might be really bad, but who knows! Ok so here it goes: 1) FA/Intro system So basically I just think that having a FA/Intro system would get us more members and could really benefit us. I was thinking about making the reqs for FA like 95 or 100+ or something like that. PROS: ~ More members ~ Can really get some dedicated members from this because they will be working hard to get in. ~ Would make some of the people that were in favor of 100+ happier, which makes WG happier! CONS: ~ Might get some inactive members (but can be kicked) ~ Might be tough to monitor ----------------------- 2) Easier to get into WG So yeah, I've been noticing that it can be tough to get into WG sometimes. Alot of people have trouble getting 5 members to get online, and some feel awkward being introduced to so many people at once and it just kinda overwhelms them and they never app. I think that maybe we will get more people if we make it sorta like DF where you just kinda intro and say you want to join and they let you come to fights and stuff, but you're not a full member. This obviously has some pitfalls like anything does, they will be explained in the cons section. PROS: ~ More people ~ I think if people get in faster and such they will be more willing to become a full member and be in the clan for awhile. Maybe not, could go either way. CONS: ~ Spying will be easier ~ Will have most likely a fair amount of inactives. (But they can be kicked) --------------------- 3) Have a higher rank for higher levels The title of this is worded very badly but I couldn't think of any other way to say it. Basically what I'm trying to get at is that we have one of those things like THE has where it's 105+ to join, but if you want to get like a special rank or something (idk....more forum access or something?) it's 110+. We could even make something special if you're 115+. This will mainly be some encouragement for our lower levels to train up without being forced to. PROS: ~ Potentially higher levels ~ Gives people goals to shoot for, makes being in WG all that more fun. CONS: ~ uhhh idk....anyone got any? ------------------- 4) Have some mandatory non-pvp events So I've noticed that alot of the events that aren't mandatory pull shit numbers. So I think it would be fun to once in awhile have a mandatory GWD trip. Or mandatory Soul wars, Or mandatory game losing, etc etc. Lots of fun events like the VIP thing, the zombie thing, and the one thing that SLayer made up where you drop the weapons and stuff . All of these things would be hella fun with alot of people, so why not have a mandatory event like these once in a blue moon, can't hurt eh?PROS: ~ More people come to non-pvp stuff ~ Would be hella fun CONS: ~ NONE!!! -------------------------- 5) Hype up fights more Yeah so basically I thought of this through talking to leecable. Essentially we just hype up wars more by making a topic to get pumped on and spam like shit and talk crap (friendly crap!) about the other clan, Make signatures for the wars, and make banners for the war at the top of the forums that are there permanently until the war is over, then we switch back ot the other banners. It seems like atm we just make a fight topic, people sign up, and thats it. If we get more hype, more people will come (hopefully), more people will bind, the spam will be better, better bind, etc. PROS: ~ More enthusiasm ~ Better spam, binds, pulls, fall ins, etc. CONS: ~ NUFFIN NOW GET PUMPED@@@@@@@@@@@ --------- 6) Recruitment Goals I think if we were to add monthly recruitment goals it could really help us get members. If we set a goal (etc, 70 people on the ML by the end of the month.) then I think everyone would feel more enticed to try and recruit people. I think we should start out small, like 5-10 a month, then we can move up our standards if need be (although I think 5-10 a month is a good goal). PROS: ~ More members (potentially) ~ People feel more enticed to recruit and help the clan to reach it's goals. CONS: ~If we don't meet our goal some might cry but not really a big deal. -------------------- 7) Recruitment Team Re-vamp So basically I was flirting with Moose on IRC beccause I think he's cute, and he brought up some good recruitment team changes...ideas...things. Anyways before I butcher any more English, his ideas were to, "split it up into all major forums (sals tipit etc) and have 2-3 ppl on each based on timezones so theres always someone checking them." And also, "have reports/meetings or something to make sure people are still doing it, offer support or suggestions or anything like that." I think these are great ideas, go Moose! PROS: ~ More efficient and active recruitment team. CONS: ~ Nothing really Credit to Zemus for the idea ------------------------- 8) More Miniwars It seems to me that recently there has been a slip in the amount of shortprep PvP miniwars we have. I think that they are a great source of practice for our major wars, helps newbies learn how to tank, hybrid, etc. So I think we should have more of these as we go into summer and get more active. Maybe we can even try doing some p2p matched options fights  .PROS: ~ More practice for bigger fights ~ Fun CONS: ~ wat ----------------- 9) Add Intro's to Freinds list automatically I've noticed that we have SOOOO many intro's and so few apply. Matter fact one of our intro's that stated in his intro that he has always wanted to be in WG, is now a VR FA. I think this is because we don't befreind our intro's and we don't make an effort to nudge them into applying being in the clan. That is why I suggest having everybody automatically add the person when they intro to the clan and to to them and get them to apply etc. I think this will result in much more people applying and mass recruiting might actually work. (Also see idea #7) PROS: ~ Better overall community ~ more people applying CONS: ~ wat --------------------------------------------- That's all I can think of atm, I was going to make some witty thing to do with Joe being nh but cba after all that typing. @Council: Please read over and consider everything I said. Like seriously discuss it. Seems like so many suggestions don't ever really get discussed or anyhting. Please post what you think guys, the more opinions the better. I don't even fully agree with some of these idea's, but I'm just throwing them out there so you can help pass judgement on them. I might think of more things later. DISCUSS!!!!! ~Chimpy --------------------    | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 01:07 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | Yea, uh we just raised reqs to 105. Since we are (horribly) attempting to get into more pvp. Having a 95 with us will mean he is the first pile every time. And um, we go not by levels, but by dedication for ranks in WG. Unless we make up new levels. And right now it is (really) easy to get into wg. So long as your not a spy, and you can make atleast 2 friends. And your mandatory non-pvp events may just be onto something. Make 1 major event a week mandatory, I like it. --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 01:11 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | good ideas. it would be cool the get this approved and see how it changes things --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 02:08 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Chimp NH cbf typing reply atm -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 02:30 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
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Posted: April 25, 2009 03:59 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Ranma344 Group: Emeritus Posts: 759 Member No.: 78 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 24 | We already have an intro process. Making it easier to get in will cause more damage than it will solve, these include problems such as a bunch of idiots will get past the screening process, more than the ones that get in already. Ranks based on levels always fail, just because someone has no desire to train constantly does not mean they are more deserving. People do not enjoy being forced into anything, this has been proven with mandatory PvP events. More people go to PvP events than they do any other events. This can only lead to extreme controversy. --------------------  R.I.P. Lucy ! | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 07:21 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Big_Al_002 Group: Guardian Posts: 1102 Member No.: 1777 Joined: March 21, 2009 Total Events Attended: 25 | for 1 but like sgt said we'll get piled way easier so im for higher req actually lol im for 3 but we already deep into system 2 and 4 im for it but for the application process its like way too many steps it should be like intro trial validation-graduation -------------------- Guardian from 4/20/09 to 8/4/09, then quit. Back, Trial Guardian 6/12/11.  Proud To Have A Winddancir Original | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 12:39 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
I semi-agree, but it's so easy to just kick the idiots. Again I'm not fully for it either, I'm like 50%. Don't really think of it as getting ranked up if you reach a certain level, I meant it to just give you some sort of special priviledge or something...something to get people to want to train, but not make it feel like they have to (as they don't). Idc how it's done really, I would just enjoy if someone implememnted a fun way to encourage trainning. I believe we did it in the past? I don't remember how though. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 01:14 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | WOW DUDE WTF... have you been reading lvl 3 in secret recently? Ideas 3 + 4 have been discussed recently. As for idea 4, the general staff opinion is that it would be a really good idea, and to make non-pvp events have a mandatory sign up (only from time to time), not all the time, just like megaraids + wars. --------------------    | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 04:01 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | My main issue would be it being easier to get into WG. As it is, the application system is a joke, nobody really gets declined. There's no need to make it easier. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 04:27 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | I advocated (3) before; I really detest that higher and elite guardians have to be hand-picked by the council, especially when we hear every few weeks about how you're under-appreciated and have too much work to do (yet design a system that requires you to do more work: wtf). Something I ran into is people thought it would create an elite class within the clan and cause problems similar to sectors. For the "oh we tried this before and it didn't work out" FUCK YOUR SECTORPHOBIA! I still think it's the best way to make this clan work without screwing anyone over, and in the past two years we haven't really managed to do anything better. Do something revolutionary goddammit, you can't live your life terrified of stubbing a toe. // edit // PS: Because I think it's relevant (this is when we were "discussing" lowering the combat requirements from 107 back to 100 and sectors were already having nails put in their coffins; the council was divided between the sectors which didn't end well):
(The basic scenario involved a sector for skillers, low-level rpkers, and high-level rpkers; most events would be join-sector but also allowing each individual sector to host their own events, which would give the high-level rpkers a prestigious edge). I honestly think this is relevant and should (to some extent) be debated and experimented with. IF we ever get off our asses and try to do something involved like this, I'm available to help. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 04:39 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: txtawkin/kathy Group: Ex-Member Posts: 847 Member No.: 1604 Joined: December 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 45 | I agree with alot of your suggestions and appreciate the fact that you have given it so much thought. I agree with Joe that making it "easier" to get into WG is not necessary since its plenty easy now, but perhaps a re-evaluation of the current application is in order. I mean really....a pic of yourself in irc, or 5 wg names on your list? What does that prove? How about references that are actually checked? Give us 5 names of personal friends that will vouch for you? If they are a spy, will all their friends be in on it? Not likely. And I agree with Wayne that an elite class within WG is not a good idea, but mandatory non pvp events are fair and lead to greater community building within the clan. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 04:56 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Yeah, after some thinking I don't think it's that great of an idea. I stick by my other stuff though, mainly 3 & 4. Joe nh. And Wayne are you saying to bring sectors back? Not sure I got kinda confused reading all of that  -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 05:03 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | I'd like to see sectors back, but introducing a rank system based on levels would is very similar (divide the clan by ranks instead of sectors, allowing unique events for higher-ranked members). Basically it's the same as a sector system except without the balderdash and also gives emphasis to training without twisting anyone's arm AND let's the council focus on doing more important things than sifting through the clan memberlist and deciding who "deserves" a promotion. So yeah, I like it.  -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 05:10 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Oh, ok, good -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 05:29 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Ranma344 Group: Emeritus Posts: 759 Member No.: 78 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 24 |
If you are referring to Operation Purple Haze, it completely failed. Twice. -------------------- R.I.P. Lucy ! | ||||||||
Posted: April 25, 2009 05:31 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | We also had OBH (was that combat-related?) and the combat academy. And a bunch of other stuff.  -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: April 26, 2009 10:26 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | Added #5 POST PEOPLE! And Ranma idk what this whole operation purple haze is  -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: April 26, 2009 10:32 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | I agree with most of it but I REALLY want to see #5 happen. Hyping up fights more. All we have these days is a topic to sign up on. That's it. Where's the enthusiasm? Back in the day, we would make special banners, signatures, forum topics...we would have a bunch of training events..mass PMs and emails...wars were huge deals back then. Now people don't give two shits and it's really depressing. This clan is depressing. Seriously. --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||||||
Posted: April 26, 2009 11:31 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 |
Ryan, OPH, actually didnt fail. It raised our combat average...like alot. Pumping fights has to be done tbh..it like makes people dislike the other clan, so they return. I remember people in EoS, used to pay like cam whores, to like write corr sucks cock, on there tits and stuff. Was epic as shit. --------------------    | ||||||||
Posted: April 26, 2009 11:52 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
L that's epic Now WG has to top that somehow -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: April 27, 2009 12:55 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | I like #5 though a con of higher ranks for higher levels doesn't give credit to other contributions besides just levels. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: April 27, 2009 07:07 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Don't think of it as ranks...more like...titles -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: April 27, 2009 09:50 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | I know a great title, Chimp is NH rank -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||
Posted: April 27, 2009 09:54 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Or better, Joe is a nh fail tank rank. -------------------- | ||||||||
Chemp's ideaz 4 overall clan betterness n stoof, READ FFS!!!