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IRC Nickname: spanthrax
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 813
Member No.: 29
Joined: December 30, 2007
Total Events Attended: 37

ya finally pushed me out here. im sick of being shit on by my clan mates. never thought the leaders would shit on me but aside from gorge

you have all shit on me and made me feel like i wasnt welcome. not very leader like.

im not gonna go into a long good bye because truth be told nobody would read it anyway so why should i take the time to write one. those of you who i AM friends with, you know who you are and i wont do any shout outs.

guess thats all there is to say. i would like clan friend or i believe at the very least i deserve ex-member rank.

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IRC Nickname: [Randy]
Group: Raid Leader
Posts: 5065
Member No.: 16
Joined: December 29, 2007
Total Events Attended: 499

Absolutely no idea what you're talking about

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Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 7306
Member No.: 47
Joined: December 30, 2007
Total Events Attended: 343

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July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011

IRC Nickname: bto
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 3815
Member No.: 196
Joined: February 3, 2008
Total Events Attended: 332

One of the worst things a leader has to deal with is watch everything they've worked for crumble in front of them. Our numbers have weakened, our organization skills have gotten rusty, but most importantly, we've lost many of our greatest friends along the way. We're dealing with a terrible crisis. Its going to take all of our determination, will, and cooperation to pull out of this.

And now, during a period where the survival of WG itself is on the line, we are plagued by people who are inactive. Some are too busy with life. Thats alright. But in a time when a clan needs it's people at most, you would leave it to die. You would leave your friends and clanmates to struggle themselves so we could have a clan for you.

Im going to be honest here. You don't care about WG. You don't give a crap about us. All I've seen you do is sit in the IRC, and huggle every female that enters. Do you honestly wonder why you get crap? Its not the leaders only; people notice. The only person you have to blame is yourself.

This is what I see. I see a undedicated rs-active member that doesnt contribute. I see someone who has the ability to do much more, but doesn't. Don't blame the people who fight hard everyday to keep this clan alive.

You're a great person and I truly wish things could have ended differently.

QUOTE (spanthrax @ April 22, 2009 10:37 am)

personally as a non-warrer i get shit on by a lot of individuals, they state that i never go to non-pvp events. this is due to our event leaders holding events at midday when im away at my job irl. and i would gladly come if they were after 5 pm eastern on mon-thurs. but most events simply aren't that late so i cannot attend and ppl ridicule me for it and call me a leach. so i say have more events towards evening est and ill show you vastly improved activity. im doing the best i can here and i would appreciate more respect from my fellow clan mates than i am currently recieving.

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"It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations."

IRC Nickname: Tttkaab|Brandon
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 622
Member No.: 123
Joined: January 12, 2008
Total Events Attended: 53

Idk what's going on but I've always found you very pleasant, friendly, and negotiable Spenser. I'm sorry you've felt like you've been treated poorly and I wish you the best, even though I hope you decide not to leave. Good luck bud you were a good member.

Brandon

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I'll always be here for the people that need me.

RS Accounts: Sadcon1, Tttkaab & T Dwag

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Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 201
Member No.: 1646
Joined: January 18, 2009
Total Events Attended: 6

BTO I disagree.
I don't get why we have a non-warring list if people such as you or other leaders are going to hold those individuals to standards they didn't agree on.

You all but said flat out in your post that WG needs Spenser to be at wars and PKs right now, but since he doesn't come, he doesn't care about the clan. Well that's bullshit. We have a non warring list, it is an option for the clan. If he has signed up for it, then he should not be criticized for not attending.

Every single fight I've been in IRC for I have seen someone ask Spenser if he is going to war. He shouldn't even have to deal with those questions. He took an option the council offered and that should be the end of the freaking story.

But it's not. People here have double standards.
If you are going to hold not warring against non-warrers, then the list needs to go away.

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Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 7306
Member No.: 47
Joined: December 30, 2007
Total Events Attended: 343

QUOTE (Tmal34 @ April 28, 2009 01:30 am)

BTO I disagree.
I don't get why we have a non-warring list if people such as you or other leaders are going to hold those individuals to standards they didn't agree on.

You all but said flat out in your post that WG needs Spenser to be at wars and PKs right now, but since he doesn't come, he doesn't care about the clan. Well that's bullshit. We have a non warring list, it is an option for the clan. If he has signed up for it, then he should not be criticized for not attending.

Every single fight I've been in IRC for I have seen someone ask Spenser if he is going to war. He shouldn't even have to deal with those questions. He took an option the council offered and that should be the end of the freaking story.

But it's not. People here have double standards.
If you are going to hold not warring against non-warrers, then the list needs to go away.

He hardly attends events either even when he is online. I agree with BTO, also a shit attitude of everyone is pissing on me tends to reap exactly what you sow.

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July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011

IRC Nickname: spanthrax
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 813
Member No.: 29
Joined: December 30, 2007
Total Events Attended: 37

QUOTE (Back to Own @ April 27, 2009 07:01 pm)

One of the worst things a leader has to deal with is watch everything they've worked for crumble in front of them. Our numbers have weakened, our organization skills have gotten rusty, but most importantly, we've lost many of our greatest friends along the way. We're dealing with a terrible crisis. Its going to take all of our determination, will, and cooperation to pull out of this.

And now, during a period where the survival of WG itself is on the line, we are plagued by people who are inactive. Some are too busy with life. Thats alright. But in a time when a clan needs it's people at most, you would leave it to die. You would leave your friends and clanmates to struggle themselves so we could have a clan for you.

Im going to be honest here. You don't care about WG. You don't give a crap about us. All I've seen you do is sit in the IRC, and huggle every female that enters. Do you honestly wonder why you get crap? Its not the leaders only; people notice. The only person you have to blame is yourself.

This is what I see. I see a undedicated rs-active member that doesnt contribute. I see someone who has the ability to do much more, but doesn't. Don't blame the people who fight hard everyday to keep this clan alive.

You're a great person and I truly wish things could have ended differently.

QUOTE (spanthrax @ April 22, 2009 10:37 am)

personally as a non-warrer i get shit on by a lot of individuals, they state that i never go to non-pvp events. this is due to our event leaders holding events at midday when im away at my job irl. and i would gladly come if they were after 5 pm eastern on mon-thurs. but most events simply aren't that late so i cannot attend and ppl ridicule me for it and call me a leach. so i say have more events towards evening est and ill show you vastly improved activity. im doing the best i can here and i would appreciate more respect from my fellow clan mates than i am currently recieving.

even you kevin should be smart enough to realize that treating someone like shit isnt how you get them to try harder and help out more. you leaders are the one's who gave ppl the option of non-war list. so in a way its kind of your fault, without the option of the non-warring list i would have been forced to suck it up and war.

it seems to me that you only made the non-pvp list to save your own asses, so you could say hey there's this option whilst you just treat anyone on that list like absolute shit in the hopes that nobody would go onto this list.

all this being said i love wg, i just dont like what its become.

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Joe he has the same problem I do.
EST events are for the most part at 1-5 pm EST. That seems to be the priority time so that GMT and EST can both attend. Well that's fine and it's good to have some events there, but Span has work, similar to how I have school. It's impossible to attend.

And I agree that a bad attitude does nothing to help the situation, and Spenser's attitude certainly hasn't always been great. But it's a two way street, something he acknowledges. It is bad that the council offers a non PVP list and then takes any sort of an attitude toward him about PVP. If I were in his shoes, I would probably be pissed as well.

It just leads to a slippery slope, regardless of who started it. One side reacts, leading to the other, and then the first, etc. Until the two sides are both discontent and dissatisfied. It is impossible to place the blame fully on either.

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Originally Joined WG August 19, 2005
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IRC Nickname: Big_Al_002
Group: Guardian
Posts: 1102
Member No.: 1777
Joined: March 21, 2009
Total Events Attended: 25

NOOO

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IRC Nickname: bto
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 3815
Member No.: 196
Joined: February 3, 2008
Total Events Attended: 332

QUOTE (spanthrax @ April 27, 2009 08:37 pm)

QUOTE (Back to Own @ April 27, 2009 07:01 pm)

One of the worst things a leader has to deal with is watch everything they've worked for crumble in front of them. Our numbers have weakened, our organization skills have gotten rusty, but most importantly, we've lost many of our greatest friends along the way. We're dealing with a terrible crisis. Its going to take all of our determination, will, and cooperation to pull out of this.

And now, during a period where the survival of WG itself is on the line, we are plagued by people who are inactive. Some are too busy with life. Thats alright. But in a time when a clan needs it's people at most, you would leave it to die. You would leave your friends and clanmates to struggle themselves so we could have a clan for you.

Im going to be honest here. You don't care about WG. You don't give a crap about us. All I've seen you do is sit in the IRC, and huggle every female that enters. Do you honestly wonder why you get crap? Its not the leaders only; people notice. The only person you have to blame is yourself.

This is what I see. I see a undedicated rs-active member that doesnt contribute. I see someone who has the ability to do much more, but doesn't. Don't blame the people who fight hard everyday to keep this clan alive.

You're a great person and I truly wish things could have ended differently.

QUOTE (spanthrax @ April 22, 2009 10:37 am)

personally as a non-warrer i get shit on by a lot of individuals, they state that i never go to non-pvp events. this is due to our event leaders holding events at midday when im away at my job irl. and i would gladly come if they were after 5 pm eastern on mon-thurs. but most events simply aren't that late so i cannot attend and ppl ridicule me for it and call me a leach. so i say have more events towards evening est and ill show you vastly improved activity. im doing the best i can here and i would appreciate more respect from my fellow clan mates than i am currently recieving.

even you kevin should be smart enough to realize that treating someone like shit isnt how you get them to try harder and help out more. you leaders are the one's who gave ppl the option of non-war list. so in a way its kind of your fault, without the option of the non-warring list i would have been forced to suck it up and war.

it seems to me that you only made the non-pvp list to save your own asses, so you could say hey there's this option whilst you just treat anyone on that list like absolute shit in the hopes that nobody would go onto this list.

all this being said i love wg, i just dont like what its become.

Oh you're blaming me for you not trying hard enough? I'm sorry I didn't praise you and encourage to try harder.

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<%bto> spenser you coming?
<+Spanthrax> to what
<%bto> pkri
<+Spanthrax> ....

You can see in this convo yesterday that I asked at all without any hostility. You can clearly see how you reacted when I even SUGGESTED the idea. After all, even considering on calling on people not obligated for any wars during our time of need must be insanity.

I tried to be reasonable. I tried to be fair. I figured after reading your post in the IA, that you were trying to improve. The next day, I noticed active in #wg when an event was going on.

QUOTE (spanthrax @ April 22, 2009 10:37 am)

they state that i never go to non-pvp events. this is due to our event leaders holding events at midday when im away at my job irl. and i would gladly come if they were after 5 pm eastern on mon-thurs

Getting to your next point

When we were adding a new rank for this "nonwarring list," you instantly began to vent and complain that you were getting no respect. To keep you happy, we just left you to emeritus.

You were one of the primary reasons for the creation of the pvp list in the first place. Nobody else really fought for it. I think accusing us of making a pvp list to shit on people to make them active is pretty funny actually. ITS A CONSPIRACY.

I believe there are a total of 3 people on the non-warring list. You can ask any of the other 2. I have never been hostile towards them because they don't war. However, they contribute.

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"It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations."

IRC Nickname: DZ
Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 2991
Member No.: 18
Joined: December 29, 2007
Total Events Attended: 238

It was good to get to know you Spence, I wish you the best.

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IRC Nickname: spanthrax
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 813
Member No.: 29
Joined: December 30, 2007
Total Events Attended: 37

i agree i should have reacted differently when you asked me to war. that much i will agree upon.

your next point however im going to have to politely disagree. i was ok with a rank change, however i was not ok with the ones glenn was suggesting for the simple fact that they were cruel and derogatory towards the individuals on the non-pvp list.

as a matter of fact you should thank me. a member recently approached me asking if the non-pvp list was worth going on, i will not say whom this member was, but im sure my response will keep him from asking to join the list.

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QUOTE (Tmal34 @ April 28, 2009 01:44 am)

Joe he has the same problem I do.
EST events are for the most part at 1-5 pm EST. That seems to be the priority time so that GMT and EST can both attend. Well that's fine and it's good to have some events there, but Span has work, similar to how I have school. It's impossible to attend.

And I agree that a bad attitude does nothing to help the situation, and Spenser's attitude certainly hasn't always been great. But it's a two way street, something he acknowledges. It is bad that the council offers a non PVP list and then takes any sort of an attitude toward him about PVP. If I were in his shoes, I would probably be pissed as well.

It just leads to a slippery slope, regardless of who started it. One side reacts, leading to the other, and then the first, etc. Until the two sides are both discontent and dissatisfied. It is impossible to place the blame fully on either.

Had to know how active someone is when you're not all that active yourself. All I see from him are excuses or he goes AFK when an event is on. When you walk within a shit attitude (exhibit A: this leaving post) don't expect everyone to be all nice and friendly in return. The way this topic was posted was a blatant flame and disrespect, don't expect mine when the first words are out of your mouth is everyone is shitting on me.

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IRC Nickname: Buzzard1985
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 817
Member No.: 723
Joined: May 30, 2008
Total Events Attended: 52

<3 you Span, gl with what you do.

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IRC Nickname: Jenny
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 1967
Member No.: 19
Joined: December 29, 2007
Total Events Attended: 56

Hate to see you leave over something like this. Take care in all you do Spanny <3

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IRC Nickname: spanthrax
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QUOTE (Quikdrawjoe @ April 27, 2009 08:36 pm)

QUOTE (Tmal34 @ April 28, 2009 01:44 am)

Joe he has the same problem I do.
EST events are for the most part at 1-5 pm EST. That seems to be the priority time so that GMT and EST can both attend. Well that's fine and it's good to have some events there, but Span has work, similar to how I have school. It's impossible to attend.

And I agree that a bad attitude does nothing to help the situation, and Spenser's attitude certainly hasn't always been great. But it's a two way street, something he acknowledges. It is bad that the council offers a non PVP list and then takes any sort of an attitude toward him about PVP. If I were in his shoes, I would probably be pissed as well.

It just leads to a slippery slope, regardless of who started it. One side reacts, leading to the other, and then the first, etc. Until the two sides are both discontent and dissatisfied. It is impossible to place the blame fully on either.

Had to know how active someone is when you're not all that active yourself. All I see from him are excuses or he goes AFK when an event is on. When you walk within a shit attitude (exhibit A: this leaving post) don't expect everyone to be all nice and friendly in return. The way this topic was posted was a blatant flame and disrespect, don't expect mine when the first words are out of your mouth is everyone is shitting on me.

i wasnt expecting your respect. ive not seen it shown towards me at any point of my entire association with wg. im through with all this fighting. i wish you guys the best of luck moving forward. it was clear to me that wg was no longer a good fit for me since the day that i came back to find out that the sectors were gone. i just had to stick around to try it and it hasnt worked out. so im going to leave, and hopefully not on terms so bad that i end up in the hall of shame.

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IRC Nickname: [JC]
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 3320
Member No.: 23
Joined: December 30, 2007
Total Events Attended: 147

Although it saddens me allot to see you leaving spenser it's also like a slap in the face to all those people who think of you as a friend every time you make a topic like this.

I hope you find somewhere that suits you spenser, do you think you'll join a skill/community clan or go clanless for a while?

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IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2
Group: Emeritus
Posts: 3087
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Joined: January 25, 2008
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I don't know you very well Spenser but I've seen you around alot, and I'm very, very upset that things have escalated to this level. I hope you change your mind and decide to stay, but I agree something has got to change.

For what it's worth I plan on putting quite a bit of time into WG after finals are over in two weeks, and hopefully others are in a similar position. I won't ask you to stay around because I'm certainly not in a position to promise anything, but I do hope you stay.

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People think as long as we're not screaming and bitching the hell out of each other then everything's fine, but it's not! The underlying cause is still here and it'll come up and cause trouble as hit has for years until it's settled once and for all, either by kicking out the skillers or giving them back a place in WG.

*cough*

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IRC Nickname: ``Aaron
Group: Ex-Member
Posts: 1055
Member No.: 149
Joined: January 21, 2008
Total Events Attended: 34

Dont know what this is about.

But Bye.

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IRC Nickname: Vephy
Group: Elite Guardian
Posts: 6186
Member No.: 813
Joined: June 10, 2008
Total Events Attended: 478

Sorry to see you go Spense. I'm not quite sure why you have stuck out so long. Were you waiting for more skilling events around your time? We will be getting new council soon and may see some good changes. Sorry it had to end this way. Maybe I'll finally show you Tormented Demons later when were both in a good time frame.

Goodbye.

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IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike
Group: Clan Friend
Posts: 1948
Member No.: 1238
Joined: July 29, 2008
Total Events Attended: 132

Probably I'm not in a place to speak about inner WG, but I'll just say this anyway

From what I read from Tmal, some people are having problems attending events because of school/work time conflicts, and in Spanthrax's case he doesn't like wars and still has work which gets him accused of being..well, undedicated.

That can easily be rectified, if you would please read on:

You could always make an IA, a mandatory one, and have people post the times they usually are able to make fights and events at (Such as the old post Randy made in the old warring forums). Get 1-2 events a week in odd times for members of his case and see if they attend or not, it should there dedication and activity.

If it still seems a problem, I recall you're able to host individual events in WG, try hosting on in a good time for yourself?

So to sum it up, stay, try to push for that IA and if it doesn't work then host your own events to prove to everyone you're dedicated.

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a skilling sector where ppl don't have to war would fix that.

OH WAIT DID I JUST SAY THAT OUT LOUD

wouldn't work now anyway i guess, u guys don't have enough members anymore cuz they all quit cuz u wanted them to war lol.

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QUOTE (Samurai-JM @ April 28, 2009 06:59 am)

a skilling sector where ppl don't have to war would fix that.

OH WAIT DID I JUST SAY THAT OUT LOUD

wouldn't work now anyway i guess, u guys don't have enough members anymore cuz they all quit cuz u wanted them to war lol.

Wrong.

Read the D-Day #2 leaving posts.

They left because there wasnt enough PvP.

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lul i cant see IA

ur right tho I remember the dozens of ppl leaving for that, but u gotta admit since then and even before then there were people leaving because they were forced into fighting when they didnt want to.

i still miss the sectors tho

wg was by far at its strongest point when they were up.

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