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Posted: May 2, 2009 11:39 am  | |||||||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | So there's this guy. He is 21 and lives in Australia. He's doing an honour degree in music and works part time. And this leaves him with no time for his online community of friends. The truth is, I retired from Runescape a long time ago. I hoped for the longest time that the clan could prosper without my heavy input. The council and tertiaries worked hard, but it did not overcome the simple fact: WG's activity hinges on the leader's activity. How can a leader who is working and studying during his every waking hour allocate time for WG? I can't even see friends outside my Uni course now due to my intense workload. ______________ History proves it. WG's only ever been successful under an active leader. The 06 days were major activity days for me, and when Tmal took over, he was even more active than I was. For the last two years I have not been training skills in Runescape. I got to 82 construction within 2 weeks of construction coming out in 06. I'm now 84. WG needs an active leader. I have to either take founder rank and give the clan to someone else, or close WG, or suffer IRL. The last one is not an option. I recommend the following: I can give WG 5 hours a week at most (until the coming Uni break). For the next 5 weeks of Uni, I am going to divide those hours as such: - 3 hours to the Aussie raid (which I will continue to lead as it is a fixed time) - 1 hour to checking the forums, divided into small periods of a few minutes over the week. - 1 hour of conferring with my co-leaders, who you are now relying on to lead. I can scrape together a few minutes on the IRC. I will stay on there AFK when I can and reply periodically. I am sorry, but those five hours are all I can give and no more, since those 5 hours are actually upsetting my schedule in such a way I have to sleep for 5 hours less each week. Summary - I am here to lead the Aussie raid to ensure my minimal activity requirement as a member - I am here to give two hours to forums and leadership instructions. I am only the decision make now. I don't have time to act out my decisions. I rely on the council to do that for me now. - WG will return to glory pending my return to Runescape, which can't happen yet. You can recruit and such, but unless the tertiaries and council put more into it than they already are, there's not much I can do. I won't attack my co-leaders in this announcement, but I'm just little disappointed (to the point of hypocrisy) that they aren't giving me more. - I will be completely RS active (including finishing the disgusting quests and combat training and active event hosting and such) as of mid June. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 11:51 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Olivier1o1 Group: Guest Posts: 208 Member No.: 1744 Joined: February 27, 2009 Total Events Attended: 17 | O_O Good luck Lordy! -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 11:55 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | I'm going to be pretty rude, but I'm sure you'll cope. If you havent been happy with the amount the other council/tertiaries have been contributing and you havent been able to fill this gap yourself why the fuck do you have any reluctance to appoint two new council now Randy is leaving and why the fuck has it taken you 3 months to even replace one of Anatcrafter and/or Mugger? --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 12:02 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | We need a few more leaders for this to work. Who is willing to step up is the question. --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 12:11 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | I don't want to bash you either.... And i'm not going to do, decided against it. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 12:17 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Gene I've been a little confused the same as JC with the new elections of council to fill the gaps. If our success is dependent on the leaders being active and the ones we have are facing their own challenges, why did we wait so long? Even with all the crap that followed the mass leavings, we still were going to be okay. We just need to pull it together and act more as a group instead of everyone out for their own agenda. If the council elections were ever to questionable about the clan's voting decisions, you could of just appointed someone to the position. We know this is really a dictatorship here in some ways. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 12:18 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
I don't really give a shit about justifying myself much any more. WG needs to get pushed around a bit so I'll give my reasons without any sugar coating. Why I am not electing two council: 1. In my experience 5 council members do the same amount of work as 4 because they each do less, distributing the work more evenly. 2. WG goes through leaders too quickly. I don't trust the election process any more as it produces people who think they can lead but give up after a 4-5 month tenure. Leaders are supposed to last years and it pains me to give away sensitive information at such a rapid rate. I am getting stingy with the trust I give now. 3. 5 leaders for a 56 man ML? Fucking ridiculous. It does not take 5 people to manage 56 members. One council is enough. Any extra is not just a waste, but dangerous. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 12:18 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | Then let's do this. I'm ready, i sure hope WG is. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 12:26 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
Please withdraw my council App then. I do not want to be spending 27 hours a day fixing WG because you are too stubborn and everyone else is too busy, or have you failed to notice that George will be away for his exams untill mid june? so that will Leave it as you're '5 hours' and Glenn + new council, sounds like a load of shit. -------------------- Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 12:30 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Sorry, I don't have time to withdraw your app and I'm not even running the election. Ask another council to do it, and don't attack me over an important announcement. As my new persona as a strict leader is a new thing to you, I won't forum warn you this time. I don't give a shit if I'm stubborn. I'm right. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 01:03 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | I was pissed off when I wrote the previous post, and though I still am I think I can write something more sensible. I have no doubt that you have the leadership skills and direction to lead WG out of this situation Gene, no doubt at all, however clans do not just run off a direction set by one leader, they must have both a direction and good day to day management to keep everything running and the "Wheels on the road". With you're 5-6 hours a week I do not doubt you will be able to keep council updated with the direction you want Wg steering in, while still being able to enjoy yourself with the odd event and reading of important threads, however as you know WG needs constant management to keep intro's flowing and the clan improving. With 1 more council I doubt very much that the clan will have enough support from high tier (council level) Leaders. Look at what is Happening now: You: Inactive, max 6 hours a week. George: Upcomming exams, currently has IRL issues that have made him unavailable. Glenn: Has no intrest in playing RS for fun, Does his warlord duties very well. New council... Is expected to pick up the slack? So between now and Late June you seem to be expecting WG to survive basically on 5 hours of you're time, Warlord work from glenn, whatever time George can squeeze in between his exams and the rest goes on this poor new council? I just can't see how this is practical... -------------------- Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 01:07 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | George is clearing his schedule in a few weeks time. As am I. If Glenn becomes too inactive to lead he will notify me. Otherwise I will assume he is active enough. And once George and I are out of inactivty and we've elected 2 members? We can't demote one. We can promote at any time we want, but once promoted we can't go back. We'll elect again if there is a need. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 01:27 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
These 3 quotes are all on the same topic yet they clearly do not match up, so which is it? I am in no way saying Glenn is inactive, but he has said many times that his role is Warlord and as a result he will do Warlord duties. In regard to you're last comment, I don't disagree that this is a tricky issuse IF we weren't hoping that WG will grow to a stage that WG needs a larger council anyway, but if our council are pressured purely to get their basic roles completed each day I can't how we are going to be able to grow. Without some input from council the 'Recruitment team' is pretty much stagnant, and then even when we do get new recruits we are frustrated by long application acceptance times, look how long Fingouldin had to wait? By going and telling WG they have to cope with what they currently have is basically saying WG will have to wait untill you can return and make us better once again. Clans, their members, and the clan world, don't wait. -------------------- Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 01:38 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | It's all of them. Ride it out for 4-5 weeks. What sort of idiot would I be to elect a council member with a short term vision for five weeks. My mind is made up. One council member with the option to elect a second later on should we need it. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 03:33 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Bravo, you are clear as to what you as a leader are doing. Real life is a first priority over what is essentially a game. However, in the short time that I have been in WG it is clear that you are the face of WG whether you are extremely active or not you are it. I do not find the fact that you are not extremely active troubling. I found it troubling that you were going to be totally inactive troubling. Your absolutely right about council and the continuity of management right or wrong your vision needs to be continued. I find it troubling that people get on council for short tenures and I know that life happens but I believe only those who are willing and able to commit the time should do so. Thanks for your time and thank you for letting me part of WG. WG now and forever. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 2, 2009 04:41 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: txtawkin/kathy Group: Ex-Member Posts: 847 Member No.: 1604 Joined: December 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 45 | I can understand both sides of the argument from both of your perspectives. I think the issue in the "gray" area is whether after 5 weeks, you and George will truly be able to devote enough time to make it work, and what kind of struggle WG will be making until then. Perhaps as a compromise, is there someone that you trust, Gene, to act as temporary council to help out for 4-5 weeks. Surely there is someone that would be willing to help that does not rly want the long term committment? --------------------  | ||||||
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