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Posted: May 3, 2009 11:12 pm  | |||||||
     IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343    | The bullshit actions of some of the leadership weighs me down more day by day. I gave my word but each time the word of the leadership is broken I wonder does it really matter any more? Every load of bullshit that the leadership gives the clan weighs me down more and more till I wonder is it worth it any more? Maybe I alone feel this but the question you have to ask yourself is, what if other people do? -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||
Posted: May 3, 2009 11:14 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mtoise Group: Ex-Member Posts: 715 Member No.: 1691 Joined: February 5, 2009 Total Events Attended: 60 | If you could be more specific then perhaps some people could back you up. Especially in situs like mine were I'm new here and also been inactive this week. -------------------- "Do not believe everything that is written on the internet; for it may just be a bag of lies" - George Washington 1873 - On the long winding road to 99 slayer. 98 to 99 Slay without killing a thing. 22/28 effigy's PM me if you can assist Construction Effigy's | ||||||
Posted: May 3, 2009 11:15 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | I agree. We're always changig policies like banning's suspensions on people that would be useful, but not people that would ultimately deserve it. We're always changing policies and how the clan works, and we wonder why we cannot permon as a stable clan. I want concrete Yes/No answers no more of this "well bans are now permanent" then unban someone next week. (as an example) we need concrete policies not wishy-washy, "lets make everyon happy" bullshit. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: May 3, 2009 11:16 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | We keep secrets for a reason as I'm sure any staff member would back me up on that one. Everything is for the benefit of the clan and nothing else. Sorry that not everything we do is sent to Joe's inbox. --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: May 3, 2009 11:18 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |
If you're referring to the spy and Mugger it has nothing to do with that besides what I've already mentioned. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||
Posted: May 3, 2009 11:21 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: txtawkin/kathy Group: Ex-Member Posts: 847 Member No.: 1604 Joined: December 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 45 | I haven't been here long enough to know how it "used" to be Joe, but I get the impression that rules in WG get "adjusted" to suit the desire of the leader involved. I have never been in a clan before, but I am really disappointed in seeing example after example on irc and in forums of the lack of loyalty by the leaders of this clan to the current members. The current members of the clan DESERVE the backing of their leaders at all time. When a guest or an ex member insults one of us on forums or in irc, it should not be tolerated. Ever. Those are the ppl who left the clan and we are the ppl that are STILL HERE!! --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 3, 2009 11:29 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Seriously, stop making exceptions for people. You un-ban Bobster because he was mistakenly banned. You un-ban Mugger because he gave you "good" information and leaked a spy. You pardon Simon who is banned so he can talk in IRC. If you are going to make exceptions, let's let some more people that some people like into WG and #Wg_Lobby. --------------------      | ||||||
Posted: May 3, 2009 11:39 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Well if Bobster was unfairly banned then I believe he should be allowed back. But yeah to the other 2, but who is Simon?  --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: May 4, 2009 12:22 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Fingolduin Group: Clan Friend Posts: 79 Member No.: 1810 Joined: March 31, 2009 Total Events Attended: 3 | I've only been here a few weeks, but I know rules should be absolute. Without firm leadership, loyalty waivers. I would find a quote from Julius Caesar or someone, but I cbf right now. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 4, 2009 01:20 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Slayer123121 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 319 Member No.: 1753 Joined: March 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 12 | Wg isn't the same anymore (Warn lvl me w/e i could care less atm) It never USED to be like this when Wg ruled p2p and was top 12 F2P. People used to get banned PERMANTLY, people used to get BANNED for skipping events, People used to get WARNED for talking trash, People used to ATTEND events. It's so different it's not even in the same clan anymore in my eyes. Idk if council agree's or not anyone who WAS ACTIVE during the Kenshln days knows WTF im on about. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: May 4, 2009 10:35 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 |
This is something i agree with. Banned people are banned for a reason... They caused trouble. Now if you would think, the members would have some hatred to them... And then you unban/pardon them... Then the members have to suffer for something the banned person loses nothing. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||||||
Posted: May 4, 2009 10:41 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
Council have the best uber secret reasons ever so shush = D --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: May 5, 2009 05:46 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 |
^ that. --------------------    | ||||||
Posted: May 5, 2009 07:59 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | To answer who "Simon" is : First I have to say my opinion is extremely bias. I love Simon and never have to many issues with him now or before. The clan's biggest issues with him were due to his join/leave type thing. He would come and go from the clan rather often. I think like twice while I was here. He would get upset and then leave the clan. Mostly because of how he was treated by some members. He was opinionated and some didn't agree with his opinion. He was more of a skiller then a war person. He voiced this very loudly and clearly. There were people that simply hated him for that. He didn't hold back his flaming in irc when certain other members would attack him for not doing what they thought he should be doing. He wasn't breaking any rules by not doing the stuff. He could of been more helpful in their opinion. Simon is the one person though that would take the time to take me places to train my combat and keep me company. He was extremely encouraging and I never got into a flame war with him when we disagreed. He was always respectful to those that could discuss in a respectful manner. He didn't tolerate being threatened by some. I don't blame Simon for his leaving/returning entirely on himself. It's hard to be in a situation that he found his self often. But haven't we seen this in other members as well and even in some that were in leadership positions. My opinion is if he causes trouble then I think Kathy has the right idea. He has been away long enough that a lot of the issues don't even matter now. I, however, support and trust our council on this issue. I'm still close friends with Simon and I don't see that ending. Remember I admitted my opinion is biased.  --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||
Posted: May 5, 2009 08:34 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Rachel, the thing is is he is banned. I do not have anything against him as a person, but he is the one who agreed that he would be banned if he left again, and he still left. If we pardon one person, then times are going to go by when we have to make the same exception. It only ends up in a circle of mistakes and people are getting the pardons every time they do something. If we have rules, then we need to follow rules. Don't bend rules for someone you like/don't like/hate/love. It only makes things get into deeper shit than if you hurt the friend for 1 day, or however long they want to stay mad at you for following the rules. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: May 5, 2009 09:11 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I remember this arguement a while ago. ----- First off: The banning of people of banned people in lobby. I tend to be a very lenient person. Some think I'm too lenient, but my reasons are justified. In the case of Simon, many will agree that he did cause drama. However, he was banned because of mass leavings, NOT because of the drama. He doesn't cause trouble in lobby, therefore I let him stay. Hes just minding his own business. However, if it was the case of, lets say Rick Hamm, I would ban him immediately because he WILL cause drama. Simon has not caused trouble. If he did start up shit, we would of course ban him totally. Lets say Moose left WG, and was banned for leaving too many times (im just using you as an example, ILU MOOSE). Should we ban him from the lobby because hes banned? Hes not causing trouble and chances are he won't. Sure they're banned, but some of the bans are lighter than the others. ----- Second: the revoking of bans on certain individuals I will admit that I did not agree with the unbanning of certain people and that the leadership should be more firm. I have seen some of the reasons behind this, and I cant say, but we need to hold the information for a bit longer. Sorry guys. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||||
Posted: May 6, 2009 02:55 am | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Nick, I'm not saying what council should do, just stating who I see Simon as. I follow the rules the same as the rest of the clan. Whatever is decided is how it will be. I do agree with BTO there is a difference. Ruling with the ability to see trouble ahead is always a good thing. -------------------- Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ | ||||||
Posted: May 6, 2009 03:45 am | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Flame_Reece Group: Emeritus Posts: 626 Member No.: 133 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
That's a load of horse shit. Sure people got banned, but for how long, like a few days at the least? I remember constantly members who were permanently banned being let back in weeks later only to get banned again for the exact same reason. And this wasn't just a one off occasion, it happened ALL the time. If anything WG is getting stricter. The only thing i'll agree with is your last point of people attending events. Putting this out there... I wish people would get over the "Kenshln days", if people think that was the true time of loyalty... they are blind. -------------------- - Going MIA 31/03/2011 - - Avid-Gamers Unit - | ||||||
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