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Posted: May 18, 2009 02:09 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8    | I've been thinking over a few things since the council elections. Since I've got some time this morning (miracle) I figured I'd share a few of them. I'd like to stress that I don't consider my ideas to be the absolute best ever. As long as people are working together that's all I want. It's when people don't talk about the issues that I get a little pissed. I will always argue strongly for what I believe is best though.  Btw, I really like using this format for threads Elias. I tried to put it in iambic pentameter but it got too complexicated. Raiding Schedule: I think we should cut back on the number of weekly raids. We don't have the member base to support a full raiding schedule. Now that it's summer, schools will be out soon and we'll have freer schedules. I think we can cut back to one raid a week, two at the absolute maximum. When activity improves we can build back up to a full raid schedule. We can definitely aim to have 3-4 raids a week again by the end of summer. Pick-up raids can also be encouraged to round out the week. This is a fourth line of next to keep things symmetrical. Applications: The application process can be condensed into three steps:
A question asking what Anti-Rpking means should be added to the introduction format. I can work on this if there's reasonable assurance I won't be wasting my time. Graduations and Promotions: Graduations and promotions should be based off applications for three reasons:
Recruitment can be involved in the revamped application process. Example requirements for the higher guardian rank:
Think about how awesome it'd be if we got 3-5 new members for each member promoted to higher guardian! Sectors: DO IT BITCHES! Sectors are common sense. There is no rocket science involved. I am thoroughly convinced that anyone against sectors is a moron or an imbecile. Have at thee!  --------------------  | ||
Posted: May 18, 2009 02:25 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 |
have to agree..don't have the time to break it down.. sectors are key, we are already broken apart. at least then the similarities will have coalitions that will bud heads together and start a bunch of competition(drama) to show who's boss. ex. republican vs democrat party. as for application i have to admit.. its too long for comfort but it does serve its purpose. the problem is. we all have to go inactive eventually..so are we going to go inactive as intros or as guardians? --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||
Posted: May 18, 2009 03:12 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Hey Wayne, Thanks for your ideas, my comments: Anti-RPKing Question:
You suggested that ^ We used to have that question but it was taken off before my time in the council, I don't know the exact reason, but I am guessing because although it is a very important belief to WG members, it's not really that important anymore... like does Abyss Pking still happen? (only if people are silly enough to abyss rc on pvp worlds) Application Stickies: I take your point about the application topics, I agree we should condense them. Very good point, thanks for showing me that; I hadn't even thought about it  Applications for Promotions: As for your suggestion to make members apply for promotions, that would be asking for promotions and I am totally against this. Currently the council and the staff discuss the promotions + member of the month and come to an agreement, there is rarely disagreement as the choices are *usually* obvious. I think it should be at the staff's discression who receives promotions. Recruitment: I don't really understand your point about Recruitment, sorry, perhaps you could explain it a bit to me?  Sectors: They will not be coming back any time soon... they were removed for a reason as they were provoking more conflict than we currently have between the members AND between the staff; there was constant bickering and problems between the skilling/fighting sectors. They were causing more dissent than we currently have and during the last few months of the sectors morale had hit rock-bottom. By making the clan into a whole again, we reunited members who had previously been "enemies*, and now I think we have struck a balance between warring and skilling, with both parties getting along with each other at long last. Furthermore- we just don't have the man power for sectors, and although it was unique to WG and that did entice some people into joining, I don't think it could work again. Lovely to hear your thoughts Wayne, many thanks  ~George  --------------------    | ||
Posted: May 18, 2009 06:30 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Thanks for taking the time to reply George. For recruitment, I was just tying it into promotion applications as a subrequirement. When you would post requesting a promotion, you could supply links to 5+ introduction topics citing you as that person's referral to WG. Basically making an effort at recruitment a requirement for any rank in the clan of higher or above. For sectors, I feel like we gave up unnecessarily. We tried one way to do something and it frazzled out, so we gave up. In comparison, it took Edison over two HUNDRED tries to come up with a working lightbulb, but we're all very glad he took the time. I'm personally convinced that it can and will work perfectly, but again that's just my own opinion. For promotions, this is a throwback to how it was in 2005-06. There were guidelines for the different ranks, and when you met those guidelines you'd make an application thread, much like when you're applying for the clan. You went through your clan history, what you feel that you've brought to the clan since your application; what's changed for you, etc. It was a very much more personal and involved system than the council behind the pixel curtain decide everything for you. The old way gave a serious sense of achievement and set goals to strive for; I counted down days for when I'd be able to apply for the next rank. There was an excitement to it, and a willingness to invest in the clan because you saw how your investment was actively appreciating. It made what was important to the clan easily important to you; everyone benefited, I think some people even had graduation parties and whatnot (the equivalent of the current elite guardian rank required a full year of active clan participation - anyone who got that rank was a HUGE deal). All that aside, I'm not comfortable with the council having that kind of control to begin with. It's a perverted system at numerous levels in ways that allow Elias and the council to exert excessive control over the clan; even if that control is not abused I still do not believe it should exist. -------------------- | ||
Posted: May 18, 2009 09:52 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | I can;t say I like at at all the idea of bringing back 'Applications for Ranks' for the exact reasons that George outlined. Getting a rank is normaly a reward for putting alot of work into WG and in a way is like having the Staff say 'thanks'. Even with fairly large guidelines I couldnt see Applications working. there is always those in a clan who are hungry for extra ranks + power who would apply for Higher/Elite member when they dont meet the req's or dont even really suit the rank. I hate to say it, but some people in any clan should never really get promoted. By having it at staff's discretion people can be promoted as early, or as late into their WG career as they feel appropriate. If their was applications how are council going to feel if they have to turn down people even though they meet the req's because they plainly just dont suit the role? --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||
Posted: May 19, 2009 12:31 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I'd like to bring back the whole system of posting an application for a promotion. But, I also realize how the current system is also effective. What we have now is a system that depends on the leaders (Tertiaries and Council) noticing certain "good deeds". The previous system was effective because each member applied when they thought they were ready. They'd list the things they brought to the clan and put their best foot forward. The Council would then decide if the person's achievements were good enough. I remember posting my application for Honored Member and how excited I was. --------------------   | ||
Posted: May 19, 2009 01:24 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
Yeah, it was like Christmas and Easter and your birthday all rolled into one.  Basically what I'm doing is I see a direction the clan can go in, and I'm trying to share it as best I can. I don't expect us to go exactly in the direction I'd prefer, but at the same time I don't see anyone else offering alternative routes. It just gets under my skin when I suggest something and it gets turned down - which is perfectly fine with me - but then nothing else comes of it. What I'm saying is if you don't want to go my way, go some way! I'll accept any step forward, but just sitting here stagnating is an epic fail to me. I get the giggles whenever I think if I got primary leader; Elias would go into shock. -------------------- | ||
Posted: May 19, 2009 01:50 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | The Politicians Code: If you have to make a decision, delegate. If you can't delegate, do the right thing. If you can't do the right thing, do something. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: May 19, 2009 02:02 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | At one point in time I thought bringing back the sectors would be great, but over time as WG has evolved I realize it would not be. The problems outweigh the benefits. I don't like how the skillers are singled out and made to feel they don't contribute. This problem will not go away with sectors but only be more of a problem. Our current skillers may not enjoy the wars but are respectful enough that we go. If we open up sectors again and invite more skillers in to WG, we may not be blessed with such great attitudes. There is a certain respect that we have for people like Starz, who have given in great amounts to WG. I don't agree with less raids either. (OMG, hard to believe I typed that.) Even though it may seem to help with activity to raids and wars. in the end it weakens us. We need the constant offering of those activities to help train to be better at it. I may not be the best at pvp but I will continue to improve over time. We have new members in the clan that need this opportunity to improve too. I don't agree with promotions being done through applications. I have a personal thing about not thinking to apply for things. The guardian score that I show is actually much lower than what I could have. Somehow asking for that just seems awkward to me. Like when I donate money, it is out of love for the clan not for a score or t-shirt. The reward is not in the rank or score but in the fact that I know I did the right thing. I would love to see some kind of recruiting drive with scores being kept for a set time. Like get an intro 1 point, get a trial gaurdian 2 points, get a gaurdian 7 points. Making the goal to get your intro to be a gaurdian the long term goal. Whoever gets most points by this 3 months away date will get this reward type thing. I've seen it to many times where the greed for power is the motivation for some people. The real motivation needs to be to improve the clan for the sheer fact that it is your family and you are proud to be here. The love for the clan should be the top motivation to get people to do things. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
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