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Posted: March 21, 2008 12:38 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Jaxx Group: Ex-Member Posts: 365 Member No.: 109 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 2 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Right, im going to put alot into this post. Right, looking at the recruitment lately ive noticed the way it stands is pretty much, apply, wait a week, your in. Thats pretty much what my rant is all about. Why is it so simple to get in a clan that portrays themselves as and i quote:
At the moment from my point of view it looks like were begging them to join, opening a door, pushing them through it then closing it again, rather than showing them the door, then letting them do the rest. We NEED to stop accepting everyone. I know we need every member we can get, but we also need the rights to be in this clan a privalage rather than nothing. Back when i first joined my application was declined twice, making me write longer essays, post as much as i can, be in #WG_Lobby as much as i can, i had to throw myself into a group of strangers who weren't bothered if i got in or not. And show them why I was worth of the Guardians title, now the guardians title is just about as good as being P2P on rs, you want it, you have it. My solution is simple, we accept a fixed number of apps per day, it doesn't have to stay the small number, it can increase as apps increase in quantaties. My reason for this is that if somebody joins, hasn't given a flying **** about his application, lets show to him, we don't give a flying **** about him. Im going to take another quote here
This was a quote in reply of me saying, he was immature and impatient. I say no, you need to learn it before we accept you. Accepting a fixed number of apps per day would lower the recruitment raite, but say we accept 2 per day, and 3 apply, that should make the 3rd person, re-apply, building up the apps over time, then accept more apps per day, this would make people fight for the spot, writing better apps. This would portray a better image on WG and make people stay in it because they fought so hard for what they've accomplished. What sort of image does WG want. You may not agree with me, but this is all a fact. Think about it and sort it. Thanks ~Jaxx -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 12:45 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Dalejamesw Group: Banned Posts: -1280 Member No.: 14 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 222 ![]() ![]() ![]() | The reason most Applications are accepted, is because we need everyone we can get, we're not DF we cant reject people and get another 5 app's the next day. The standards on which we accept may change when we become more of a powerhouse but still we are a clan that is a great community. When you say they didnt write essays to get into WG, this isnt Cambridge university we're a runescape clan, you also have to remember even if you know English well not everyone else does so they find it impossible to write Essays about themselfs to get in. New applicants do get told to write more, but you dont see it our Application managers prefer to contact them personally. As time goes on Members do improve and start becoming more flourished members if you seen my Introduction from when i first joined you probably would have laughed but look where i am today and how much i have improved from the way i write to the way i war. Everyone's not the same we are all different and we should work with them to help them improve. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 01:38 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: General199 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1073 Member No.: 318 Joined: March 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 ![]() ![]() ![]() | As we grow I think then changes will be necessary. At this moment of time I think things are fine the way they are. -------------------- ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 02:55 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I think we should do this tbh. Letting people in without them giving a **** shows them that this clan realy needs them and they can walk all over us in the application process. I remeber somthing like "We are the most prestigious clan in Runescape". Ok, we need members but most members who make rubbish applications and get in will not help this clan. If people put alot of effort into getting in, it isn't likely they arn't going to throw it away. Good suggestion Jaxx. -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 03:11 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Pazenon Group: Emeritus Posts: 1477 Member No.: 33 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 79 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I like this suggestion. Anyhow, the reason why the application system was alot tougher back in the day was because of the massive flood of applications WG used to get. It used to be sort of like a competition. Today, though, WG is in need of members. Any kind of members. No matter how strong their applications are, their RS status, their maturity, how good their English is, etc. If WG does make the applications more strict, no; it wouldn't give WG a better image in front of the clan community. The only thing it would do is get us a smaller amount of members when we are in need of them. We are getting a steady flow of good, active, members. Yes, they might have not written good introductions or applications, but as you can see, most of our new members are active, and have all what it takes to be in this clan. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 03:42 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I have the same point of view as Gen. For now, we can harbour most of the people who apply. But I do think that in the long run, if we continue on this good track, we can tend towards the situation you've described Jaxx. Don't forget that in two week's time, we'll be getting rid of around 10-15 inactives. -------------------- ![]() London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 04:14 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Jaxx Group: Ex-Member Posts: 365 Member No.: 109 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 2 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
ok then working on the oposite way. Set a decline per week. Decline 2 apps per week. Its a start. -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 04:20 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Dalejamesw Group: Banned Posts: -1280 Member No.: 14 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 222 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Set a decline, Lmao? Just decline people for the sake of declining 2 people :\ 2 Apps per week aswell? We get like 4. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 04:39 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Job| Group: Clan Friend Posts: 370 Member No.: 28 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 ![]() ![]() ![]() | People couldnt be arsed applying before. Its better this way. -------------------- ![]() ![]() 90 Prayer funds | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 10:38 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Hamad Group: Emeritus Posts: 334 Member No.: 175 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 39 ![]() ![]() ![]() | once the clan is bigger and stronger u'll be seeing less people coming in. Thats how it has always been and how it works. You will see once we hit 100 members the amount of people going in will be less because we have to reject some. -------------------- WG since July 2004. s7, s4, s10, wg.com, z6 veterans Formerly known as 'Iron this' (banned on The 7th day of February 2006) R.I.P ![]() Msn: [email protected] | ||||||
Posted: March 21, 2008 11:43 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Everyone deserves a chance But yea, some of those quotes need to be removed...some are just false A lot of our recruitment stuff need to be updated -------------------- bto ![]() Ex-WG Warlord ![]() "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||||
Posted: March 22, 2008 03:25 am ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 ![]() ![]() ![]() | The reason ,i say, its like this is because the clan hasnt fully developed we do not have loads of members and the clan doesnt get like 5 apps daily. As the clan develops over a period of time i'd say they'd change it. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: March 22, 2008 06:40 am ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 ![]() ![]() ![]() | We should require a substantial effort from the applicants themselves. We will not shut them down and so "No." We will tell them what they need to do to be able to join the clan. I agree that we don't want random kids who get in free. It is a privelage, but we shouldn't make it insanely hard. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 22, 2008 11:25 am ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Jaxx Group: Ex-Member Posts: 365 Member No.: 109 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 2 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
i don't intend to make it insanely hard, if we get 8 outstanding apps, accept them all, but lets stop accepting people who are like I r from england, i don't play much roonscape bt klanz looks fun cos thats the sort of stuff im reading on apps atm -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 22, 2008 12:58 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58 ![]() ![]() ![]() | I can't even view the application archive, so I can't comment. We ought to ensure quality though. -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow" ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 22, 2008 02:54 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 ![]() ![]() ![]() | In my old skill clan you had to get past 7 council members you could not intro unless they gave you premission first They wanted to make sure the clan stayed a tight group and everyone attending events I still have like 15 to 20 0f them I talk to regularlly Having smaller groups within the larger group may help with better activity Like do it by combat lvl Group 1 highest combat and they do one event a month only they attend and so on Then members will train to be in the top group maybe too I am not much of a fighter yet but I love social and skill stuff Have you heard the saying *let God sort 'em out* accept all and kick those who don't fit before the month is up -------------------- ![]() Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 22, 2008 04:46 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What Adam said ^ Some people that we decline might loose intresst or go to another clan. -------------------- ![]() ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 22, 2008 04:58 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Jaxx Group: Ex-Member Posts: 365 Member No.: 109 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 2 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
then they don't truely want to be WG. -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 25, 2008 08:20 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 ![]() ![]() ![]() |
what u was saying at the beginning is right i am not sure or i got a special treatment this time but i remmeber wg a year ago it was way harder to get into the clan my aplication got rejected 2 times for not being good enough and the third time i puted 1 full day on writing the thing and stil it was borderline and this time it was oh i am tiran i wana rejoin and like 1 day later they asked me to make an intro and the next day i was trial guard i am not complaining about this tbh but i think the proces has become loosend and i read all about hl trying to discovering a spy well he might opened the door for spys him zelf by lowering tha chanze to get rejected after aplying i think it should go back up a bit but not to far i saw some one else post something about the 7 counsil we have something like that called a mentor but mine knew me already this time so i had auto pass from him maybe we should make it that every one gots 3 mentors to get a pass of no exeptions and than like a french player joins he get 1 english based and if posible 2 french mentors to get a pass of -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: March 25, 2008 09:47 pm ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Jaxx, I completely agree, but I have a different idea. It has been shown overtime that WG does best when it has a good balance between strength and community. If we get alot of members we become stronger but the community starts to suffer when the clan is so large that people do not feel they know each other. On the other hand many times when we do not have many members we are more close-knit as a community, but it is not as fun because we are weak as a clan. The obvious solution is to limit the number of total members WG can have, I would recommend we close applications at 120 members (not including emeritus). The plan then would be to announce this on our forums, which hopefully will create a rush to fill the spots before the 120 member mark is reached. Until then we will continue to be fairly lenient with applications. Eventually as there is more demand for membership we can increase the member cap to 150-200, but I would advise against going above 200. A new member can only get into the clan after the member cap is reached if a current member leaves, gets kicked, or becomes emeritus. The spots available then would be posted weekly, and applicants would have to compete for them. I can see a number of benefits from implementing a member cap: -A healthy balance between strength and community -Create immediate demand for WG membership since it is a limited commodity. -Increase in activity, since inactive members may be kicked or given emeritus, and cannot easily get back into the clan until a spot opens (emeritus would get first priority though). -Increase in stability, since members will be reluctant to leave if they know they can only get back in if a spot is open, and even then they have to compete against other applicants. By keeping supply artificially low we ensure that if people do leave that the open spots will be immediately filled. -Stronger community will result if members are more reluctant to leave. Instead of having a revolving door of new members coming in to replace the ones who have left, we will have current members staying in the clan for much longer, thus getting to know each other much better. -Increase in prestige since once the member cap is hit WG will be one of the hardest clans to get into. The Cons? We will be keeping the clan from realizing its full potential strength. However, often when we do let the clan reach its full strength it tends to peak and eventually decline and head towards a low point. With a large memberlist of people who joined for the strength of WG and not because they are loyal or particularly like the clan itself, the result unfortunately can be a snowball effect of members leaving that cripples the clan. Strength is not just in the levels and amount of members you have, it is in stability and community. - -------------------- ![]() ![]() | ||||||
Posted: March 26, 2008 01:27 am ![]() | |||||||
![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() IRC Nickname: Pyro Blade26 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 782 Member No.: 84 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 ![]() ![]() ![]() | Dont accept people after attending only 1 event. Dont accept people 1 day after they apply. Dont accept people who have a history of hacking and having macros. -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||||||