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Posted: June 17, 2009 03:34 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305    | Much like anything we do in rl, there are these unvoiced or unwritten rules that we are expected to know. I saw some complaining about NH activity in our lobby and was like what? I didn't understand at all. To me if they are skulled and in pvp world then go ahead and kill them. I'm not much of a pk person but I don't want to be NH. Let's discuss these rules that we should somehow just know. I come up to two people fighting each other and they are both skulled, I want to go ahead and kill them or no? I'm out far in the wild and see someone skulled, they don't have much on them for Armour. Do I kill them? Someone please explain why D-claws are allowed or not allowed or whatever. Please try giving example with no like initials that you think I will know. Cause most likely that will be over my head and I won't get it. Thanks guys. Rachy  PS Probably best I don't start PK but still need to understand some of this stuff. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 03:40 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: al0ysia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 242 Member No.: 1834 Joined: April 8, 2009 Total Events Attended: 18 | for the first example u dont want to kill those 2 ppl i would see that as lame unless its not a serious fite i mean like 3itemers 1itemers that kinda stuff but ppl in rune and whip dont pj or attack them when 1 killed the other u wont like it aswell if ppl att/kill u after u got a kill and looted something do u? 2nd mmm u can kill them if ur sure they risk enough and arent hard to kill never skip free loot ^^ and as for d claws they are strong i dont have much against d claws in a solo fite its just a extra a nice ko weapon, but however ppl running around in prayer/str gear whit melee pray on and dclaws ready to rush/pj everyone i see as NH and have to L2PK. some ppl might have other ideas tho  --------------------  | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 03:43 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Yeah I see how killing right after a person gets loot might be a bad idea. -------------------- Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 03:48 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | I believe the problem in the lobby is that the guy Player-Jumped (PJ'd) him, which is when one is fighting somemone, and kills them or is off them long enough to the extent that someone else can attack them, then someone that wasn't engaged in the original fight comes and in attacks them when they are caught off guard (like when they kill their person, and are collecting the loot) and kills them. This is considered nh because it isn't a fair fight. For example: Person A and Person B are in a DM (Deathmatch). Player C is the PJ'er. ~ A kills B ~ A is low on food and has no prayer left from the fight, and he goes to collect his loot. ~ While A is collecting his loot, player C attacks him without telling him with a high powered spec weapon (dclaws, dbow, gmaul, etc.) ~ Player A is easily specced out and dies, and player C collects his loot. That is NH. edit: However Rushing someone, which is when you attack someone that is NOT in a fight without telling them, is not NH. You usually do this by rushing them with Dclaws and try to get a quick KO with the specs. However some do consider this to be NH. The best thing to do is ask the person for a fight before attacking them. --------------------    | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 03:50 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | So if the kill is done you don't attack but if they are not collecting loot you can still kill them? -------------------- Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 03:52 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: ka pineapple Group: Ex-Member Posts: 343 Member No.: 1277 Joined: August 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 44 | No rachy it is still considered no honour bcoz they are low on food and pray so they arent ready for the fight (its not a fair fight) --------------------  | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 03:54 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | wow that is complicated. I am going to have to ask them "Excuse me, are you low on food cause I want to kill you?" I think I understand what you're saying. But if we are in a pkri or a clan raid against another clan, I still can try to kill them right? Cause that seems different. -------------------- Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 04:02 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: ka pineapple Group: Ex-Member Posts: 343 Member No.: 1277 Joined: August 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 44 | Ok rachy. If you are at low lvl wild for example at edge, you have to request a fight from somebody by saying something like, "Fight?" otherwise the person will just run to ditch and flame you a bit. You will know that somebody is looting because they will have melee protection turned on which usually indicates to people that they have just finished a fight and are looting. If you are in deep wild E.G Greater Demons, and you are in a pkri, anybody on the other team is fair game but usually somebody like bto or dz will call piles so you attack that person. If you are by yourself in deep wildy (not reccomended) and you see a skulled player who IS NOT skilling you may attack them if you wish. If you are pking and there are a bunch of 1 itemers it is not worth killing them bcoz they will 95% of the time prot item and you will have just wasted your food and pray for no reward. EDIT: Killing a player when they are looting is called Pile Jumping, (Pj or Pj'ing) Please take note that this is not allowed in wg because it is NH (No Honour). Killing another player that is pking but not looting and you havent asked Him/Her for a fight is called Rushing which is what we usually do at raids when we run into another clan and just start killing them. When we are deep wildy and facing another clan e.g a pkri and if someone is looting for example and one of the leaders like bto calls a pile on that person it is not considered nh because you are in deep wildy and you are fair game if you are looting before clearing the other clan. -------------------- | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 04:03 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | the way i see it is... don't do onto others what you don't want others to do to you. with that said its probably best bet that you don't want people to kill you after a match but you have to be ready for anything. pvp worlds are by far dangerous and although we abide by a code of honor, most do not. with that said just try not to kill anyone that you feel strongly against killing and kill those who you feel deserve to die. if its nh then so be it. --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 04:04 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | Its more of a courtesy then anything.
I personally dislike rushing/pjing in edge. Its a pretty lame way to pk with no skill involved. Sure its free loot, but I personally dont pk purely for the loot. 2. If the person is pking, then its fine. I believe Lordy said killing 76k afkers are fine too. If its a person in wildy for a non-malicious intent (skilling, killing dragons) then you cannot attack them. 3. D claws are perfectly fine. However, the majority of the RS population tend to use them in lame ways. The majority of clawers just camp with melee pray on, max bonus, and wait for a target. When a target comes in sight, they rush the person with claws. As soon as they are threatened by another or know they cant kill the person, they'll just run away or teleport. They just wait until they have specials again to step out. Its one of the reasons why the majority of veteran pkers hated the pre-bh world era. There were more pjers then pkers. You could NOT finish a fight without being jumped multiple times. Solo-pking was a joke. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 04:06 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Yes Multi-pking is a whole different story -------------------- | ||
Posted: June 17, 2009 04:19 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: ``Aaron Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1055 Member No.: 149 Joined: January 21, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | im with rachel, I dont pk at all. In fact. I dont play runescape either. --------------------    | ||
Posted: June 20, 2009 10:20 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mark|Zblade3 Group: Guest Posts: 164 Member No.: 1687 Joined: February 4, 2009 Total Events Attended: 15 | I am able to come up with some ideas for pking, but I will have to think on them, so this post will be edited later <3 --------------------  | ||
Posted: June 21, 2009 01:43 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: txtawkin/kathy Group: Ex-Member Posts: 847 Member No.: 1604 Joined: December 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 45 | This is a good post Rachy...I'm learning alot as well. --------------------  | ||
Posted: June 21, 2009 02:01 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | If anyone has examples of good manners vs bad manners in pvp I hope they post them here. I really thought if they were skulled it was all fair to kill them. Then I read that it is not only skull but who they were fighting or what they are wearing. It is a bit confusing but I'm trying to understand it. -------------------- Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ | ||
Posted: June 21, 2009 03:34 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: ka pineapple Group: Ex-Member Posts: 343 Member No.: 1277 Joined: August 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 44 |
Good manners: Walking up to somebody in edge and asking them for a fight Bad Manners: Just attacking the person without asking them/letting them pot. Rushing Pjing. -------------------- | ||
Posted: June 21, 2009 03:36 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | good manners. letting the other person beat u in a fair fight. bad manners. beating the other person in a fair fight only to get ur kill taken from a pjer =P happened to me.... -------------------- Goals 2011 | ||
Posted: June 21, 2009 11:19 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | Yes being proper would be asking someone for a fight, however 95% of the time that person probably wouldn't ask you. Rushing isn't bad manner necessarily but it's not proper either. YOur best bet is just to ask for a fair fight. -------------------- | ||
Help me understand, pvp manners
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