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Posted: August 7, 2009 10:45 pmTop
   
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I suggest adding this question to the application process:


Please write anything you may have done or been affiliated with in the past that may cause us to believe you are a danger to the clan. This being RWT, NH affiliation, Black Market Trading, bannings from other clans, and anything else that could possibly harm the clan. This is your chance to get it off your chest if we find anything that you did not mention now we can permit a punishment severe to the action that you did in the past.

You can shorten it but i think you get the point.
 
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Posted: August 7, 2009 10:47 pmTop
   
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Yes a great idea.
Although it won't change any of the background checks that the Council always perform on new applicants, it will give them a chance to let us know.... example:

Some recent applicant was involved in a cheating site like 4 years ago.... he didn't tell us, but it being 4 years ago we decided to let it go as said member had not had any other NH activities since 2005...

It's a good idea!
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Posted: August 7, 2009 10:48 pmTop
   
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I say just put it on the apps we all get second chances everyone deserves at least one if they admit what they've done wrong.
 
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Posted: August 7, 2009 11:12 pmTop
   
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Yeah, tests their honesty
 
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Posted: August 7, 2009 11:19 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Havochaha @ August 07, 2009 10:45 pm)
I suggest adding this question to the application process:


Please write anything you may have done or been affiliated with in the past that may cause us to believe you are a danger to the clan. This being RWT, NH affiliation, Black Market Trading, bannings from other clans, and anything else that could possibly harm the clan. This is your chance to get it off your chest if we find anything that you did not mention now we can permit a punishment severe to the action that you did in the past.

You can shorten it but i think you get the point.

i'm fucked then, as I RC Pk'd, lured, did the 4 drag battle axes to pk a non skulled whipper for the whip, those type of NH stuff and was banned from CR once and TBE once however i rejoined both of those clans afterwards. But hey that was a LOOOONG time ago so it shouldn't really have an impact to anything 3 or so years down the line, right? IMO it should be:

Please write anything you may have done or been affiliated with in the past that My input. "is recent or" - may cause us to believe you are a danger to the clan. This being RWT, NH affiliation, Black Market Trading, bannings from other clans, and anything else that could possibly harm the clan.
 
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Posted: August 7, 2009 11:54 pmTop
   
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I'd be screwed.
 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 12:10 amTop
   
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No.
They should declare everything and anything that they have done AT ANY POINT IN THE PAST... and let the Council decide if a good amount of time has passed since said bad deed....

Look at my example above...
 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 02:13 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Gorgemaster @ August 08, 2009 12:10 am)
No.
They should declare everything and anything that they have done AT ANY POINT IN THE PAST... and let the Council decide if a good amount of time has passed since said bad deed....

Look at my example above...

Then you should of never accepted me, i think it's rediculous if it's at any time during your characters past. even though the "nh" shit i've done is years ago.
 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 03:35 amTop
   
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It would speed up the process of background checks, but then you would have the people lying and such.

Good idea, but we would have to see the question used in a real situation.
 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 08:46 amTop
   
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I don't want to see that answer posted on the application tbh. It may change how some new members get treated by the clan. I remember Olly being upfront and honest. It worked out while he was here. Not everyone could handle the abuse or questions it may raise.

If you do this, I suggest it goes more like this:

If you have any past history that you need to discuss with council, please say yes here and forum pm to Darth.

Just an idea of how to deal with it. Telling the entire clan that you were once a NH scammer is not the easiest thing to do. Given the opportunity to come forward to one person is much easier than over 60.

Think of all the drama and gossip . . .
 
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Either case is a failure of leadership.”
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Posted: August 8, 2009 10:09 amTop
   
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But that's the whole point Rach - that someone must confess to the whole clan. As I said before, if the NH deed was 3-4 years ago and nothing has happened since, then the person will not be declined for that....

If it has happened recently, then our checks will find out this information anyway and then the person will be declined and the clan members will find out anyway....

 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 10:10 amTop
   
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Then you should of never accepted me, i think it's rediculous if it's at any time during your characters past. even though the "nh" shit i've done is years ago.


You're really not reading what i'm saying Pete neko2.gif

The council don't care if you were NH "back in the day"... the point is that now you are a changed man.
 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 01:33 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Gorgemaster @ August 08, 2009 10:10 am)
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Then you should of never accepted me, i think it's rediculous if it's at any time during your characters past. even though the "nh" shit i've done is years ago.


You're really not reading what i'm saying Pete neko2.gif

The council don't care if you were NH "back in the day"... the point is that now you are a changed man.

I'm gonna blame that mistake on early AM reading and typing. neko2.gif
 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 02:07 pmTop
   
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Does honour and no honour even matter anymore lol
 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 02:10 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Darkzero101 @ August 08, 2009 02:07 pm)
Does honour and no honour even matter anymore lol

Not really. But those who are affiliated with cheating sites do matter. Breaking RS rules = public find out and we get noticed as a clan who has someone who broke RS rules.
 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 03:23 pmTop
   
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Also people whos accounts are not theirs originaly etc. Just add it to the apps not that much work hash.png
 
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Posted: August 8, 2009 07:42 pmTop
   
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QUOTE (Havochaha @ August 08, 2009 10:23 am)
Also people whos accounts are not theirs originaly etc. Just add it to the apps not that much work hash.png

That's why you don't google my name hash.png
 
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Posted: August 9, 2009 09:48 amTop
   
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I see a bunch of drama coming to WG apps thread soon. Better get your popcorn.
 
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Thank you Garrett and Dallar.
“The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems
is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.”
~~Colin Powell ~~

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Posted: August 9, 2009 11:30 amTop
   
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QUOTE (rachellove9 @ August 09, 2009 09:48 am)
I see a bunch of drama coming to WG apps thread soon. Better get your popcorn.

If someone has done NH activities then the drama is already there.... it's just between the new applicant and the council.
 
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