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Posted: August 26, 2009 02:35 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | In a WG first, the tertiary leaders have ALL unanimously consented to a council switch around. BTO -> Raid Leader Glenn -> Warlord Council BTO feels that he's better at leading fights rather than planning fights and long term strategies. We all know that Glenn has council experience too. The pros are that it gives us another raid leader, allows us to go through with the council elections (BTO has made it clear he'd rather step down than fill a council position), and also gives us a council member with previous experience, and we know we can trust him and that he'll do his job. Plus his name looks better in Red. The only con is that he would bypass an election, which is why I am holding this poll. This is almost an election for Glenn, but still, it's not quite. A few may argue it is not fair. Please say so below and I will definitely hear you out. George edit: The Council Elections will still take place as planned, so although we have Glenn, we lose BTO to Raid Leader, so we will promote a FOURTH Council Member. --------------------  | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 02:38 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Owennnn Group: Emeritus Posts: 1447 Member No.: 37 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 55 | 100% yes, who wouldn't want Glenn back in council? -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 02:41 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Cates`Davy Group: Ex-Member Posts: 70 Member No.: 1987 Joined: July 29, 2009 Total Events Attended: 4 | its all fine by me, i hope it works out good --------------------  | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 02:46 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | A yes we luv glenn and bto  --------------------   | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 02:48 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Frozen 10 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1169 Member No.: 1413 Joined: October 28, 2008 Total Events Attended: 67 | Yes Yes Yes. :> -------------------- Expect the Unexpected.  Control your life through insanity. Trial Guardian since 05/22/09 Guardian since 06/16/09 Higher Guardian since 07/22/09 Ex-Member since 03/02/10 Trial Guardian since 09/22/10 Guardian since 10/19/10 | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 02:51 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: `Nath Group: Guest Posts: 1897 Member No.: 1873 Joined: May 11, 2009 Total Events Attended: 70 | I think this is a great piece of thinking by the leaders, If Glenn knows in himself he can be active again and stuff, i believe this could be a very smart move and would get my 100% backing. I don't see why anyone should have a problem with this. --------------------
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Posted: August 26, 2009 03:33 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kwaichi Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1827 Member No.: 65 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 119 |
Thats why. If Glen becomes again active and BTO spend more time with WG than WoW lets do it His Lordship. Warlord Council - sounds pretty cool  --------------------  | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 03:42 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | we might actually get wars again then -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 04:11 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: imtheganster Group: Ex-Member Posts: 188 Member No.: 1904 Joined: June 13, 2009 Total Events Attended: 22 | yes -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 04:17 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Owennnn Group: Emeritus Posts: 1447 Member No.: 37 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 55 | Maybe if the people who voted no could explain their reasons. -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 04:30 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Pyroclastic0 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1158 Member No.: 35 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 221 | It's a no brainer really -------------------- Having a fight on the internet is alot like the participating in the special olympics you may win, but you're still retarded
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Posted: August 26, 2009 04:35 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mtoise Group: Ex-Member Posts: 715 Member No.: 1691 Joined: February 5, 2009 Total Events Attended: 60 | Yes of course. Personally any no reasons should be discounted unless they make their reasons known (by pm to Lordy / Council, or on topic). -------------------- "Do not believe everything that is written on the internet; for it may just be a bag of lies" - George Washington 1873 - On the long winding road to 99 slayer. 98 to 99 Slay without killing a thing. 22/28 effigy's PM me if you can assist Construction Effigy's | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 04:54 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58 | I'm clearly outnumbered here, but I'm not happy about it. Glenn's awesome, but there's two things bugging me about it: 1) Not doubting glenn's ability, but who says he's going to be active again? I haven't seen it anywhere. Last time I heard he had to step down because RL was too busy? We have people complaining strongly about an inactive council, so we need guaranteed activity right? 2) Similar point, but its clearly unfair on those who have to slave over an application and the election process when he gets the fast track. I don't remember us ever promoting someone to council without first going through elections. Have I got the wrong end of the stick here or something? -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow"  | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 05:11 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | Demote Bto but promoting Glenn is a bad idea.. He's emertius, yes he may say he'll become active but i'm not sure i can trust his judgement. Sorry. I've no other idea for another Warlord, but i think we should just wait and see rather than promote Glenn. Also another thing, Glenn's going to be going back to school again soon? Like everyone else, so that's going to make him even more inactive than he is currently.. Ugh i'm just not see'ing this as a good idea. If he wants to come back i think he should apply and be voted in like everyone else. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: August 26, 2009 05:30 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Owennnn Group: Emeritus Posts: 1447 Member No.: 37 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 55 |
I feel I should clarify, I'm 100% yes, if Glenn himself can personally guarantee activity. -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 05:36 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | If Glenn can guarantee activity (and he already has... i've talked to him), then I think this will work in our favour. Yes, he is bypassing the election process technically.... but if you think about it, the members are voting for him in this poll - the only thing he's missing is a Council Application. If you really want, we could ask him to write it  --------------------    | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 05:58 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: ``Pete Group: Banned Posts: 913 Member No.: 775 Joined: June 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 49 | I agree with demoting BTO. I don't agree with promoting Glenn, no matter how much experience he has, he's Emeritus and he says he's busy in irl and stuff too much to do council the first time. Why not, for once get some fresh council up there, it'll give a change, make it more interesting, probably pay off too. Meaning, instead of one new council for the Elections, why not 2? -------------------- Mikel Arteta  Tim CahillNothing But The Best | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 06:02 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 |
There's different "types" of council.. the spot this post is about is obviously the warlord spot. You need a fair amount of warring and leadership skills to do it, you can't just want to "try it" because you might end up.. sucking. Honestly, I have no problem with this, but I would really like to hear it from Glenn that he CAN do it. --------------------   | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 06:17 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Pyroclastic0 Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1158 Member No.: 35 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 221 | I feel that for a warlord council position we have no one else. we really need more raid leaders who can step up to warlord when the time comes, bto has been inactive of late and i don't think lee has the experience yet -------------------- Having a fight on the internet is alot like the participating in the special olympics you may win, but you're still retarded
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Posted: August 26, 2009 08:36 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | I am somewhat undecided so I have not voted yet. My views upon this: Yes, Glenn is an epic person. I love him and loved him as council. I would really like to see him as council again. He is probably our best choice right now to fill the warlord position and I would like to see him in the warlord position rather than have no warlord at all. I don't think there is really anyone else that is qualified to be a warlord that I have raided under. BTO's demotion is at his discretion. That should be an automatic yes if he feels like that is the best thing for him. The thing that pulls me back from saying yes, is of course, activity. I have not been that active as of late, so I can't give a completely accurate view, but Glenn did leave council for real life. There will come a time where it will more than likely takes its toll again, and it could possibly be extremely soon. I trust Glenn's word, and if he says that he can promise activity, then so be it. But think of a long term, 6-month timeline. Will we still have the same active warlord in 6-months? --------------------      | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 08:49 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | This makes me smile. Glenn should just post his intentions for all of the clan to see. We love Glenn in red. Rachy  --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 08:51 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | I voted yes, but I have to say: Council you MUST be very strict on enforcing activity if you are going to go through with this. It is always an issue with WG, how inactive do you let a staff member get before going 'Right, enough is enough' and demoting them. My personal oppinion is there should be a 'probationary period' so to speak, where a very close eye is kept upon what is happening and if the appropriate activity cannot be adhered to then action must be taken. Don't forget that the overwhelming message coming out from members is we want active staff. --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 09:49 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: DyIan Group: Emeritus Posts: 1205 Member No.: 1638 Joined: January 15, 2009 Total Events Attended: 107 | I voted no. Activity is a must.. --------------------   | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 09:52 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Owennnn Group: Emeritus Posts: 1447 Member No.: 37 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 55 |
I was thinking this, like maybe a month's probation or something? -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 26, 2009 10:00 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 | I nulled my vote because I'm not very active in WGs current state of affairs. However normally I think its better to get some fresh meat in the council rather than old blood. --------------------   | ||
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