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Posted: September 6, 2009 09:21 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | Alright WG had a really good run this summer. Now that summer is over we run the risk of losing it all. The council is a little concerned about some signs that show we are weakening. Fortunately for us, there are quite simple preventative measures. Every member must read and discuss. It helps. 1. A New Take on Activity So we have about 15 members who are not active in WG. We can see that from the sign-ups to the latest war. An activity sweep is probably not the way to do it. Sweeps just remove members. It would be much more productive to encourage them to be active. Sweeps should be a last resort. We will take the time to find them and encourage them to be more active, rather than simply punish them. 2. Revitalisation of the mandatory gear list http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=13170 Remember, every member is required to have this gear at all times. The big push this week is to have the gear. All members have this one week to regain their gear. Next week, council will be doing spot checks. 3. The Implementation of Spies I have always gone by the policy- don't do things to other clans that you don't want them to do to you. It is with great reluctance that I go back on this moral code. It looks like we need spies to improve. There are too many big clans in the wilderness, and we need spies in order to find clans we can beat. I need WG's approval or disapproval via replies below. 4. Raids and Megaraids Remember these? A mandatory attendance raid would do us wonders and we'd be able to beat a lot of the clans that we saw in p2p today, except for DI basically. And at least with DI, we could hold them off long enough for most of us to escape. So a mandatory raid, AKA a Megaraid, would be a good idea. We'll alternate these with official wars as well, in PVP not CWA. Also the fixed vs flexi raid time debate... your stance on it? I say have a mixture. The Aussie raid is fixed and we usually do fine on that raid in terms of attendance. I think that's the only fixed raid. This will be further discussed in Level 3. 5. A New Recruitment Push You'll remember when a few months ago I did recruitment tutorials and showed you how to bring more attention to the clan. We did well. We added 20 people to our member list that month. Imagine if we added another 20 now and made 90 members. If we add 15 every month we'd be a powerhouse in only 6 months. One application every 2 days is very doable don't you think? Anyway, the issue we have here is that our efforts fall away because we forget. My idea is simple: A recruitment leader. This recruitment leader would either be a newly elected event leader, and host events AS WELL as his recruitment, or else be a whole new rank. I prefer the Event leader option because recruitment leaders won't need to spend that much time recruiting, so it is quite possible to kill two birds with one stone. The recruitment leader would head a team that campaigns for WG on various forums and such. 6. Use of #wg_lobby Simply put, whenever there is high activity in the lobby, there is a higher joining rate from the intros. We've just got to keep the lobby active and make it our main chat room, instead of #wg, which should only be used for private discussion. ____________________ These are all very practical and powerful ways for us to get back to decent strength. We've still got the numbers and good levels, and activity isn't too bad. It's all in the morale. Unfortunately, if you know your WG history, you'll know one thing is true. When I go inactive, WG goes inactive. It's a real shame, but there's no exception. I will do my absolute best to be available to the clan but I am very busy. I beg you to realise that this clan can be really amazing without me. I will do my job as best I can, and we have an active council. There's no real reason WG needs to go downhill just because I'm not around as much as I should be. Please post below with your thoughts. This is a pretty meaty topic with lots of ambitious ideas, and it's actually a topic that will get this clan somewhere. So don't think it's idle discussion. Things are already in motion, like how every member needs to refill their supplies. --------------------  | ||
Posted: September 6, 2009 09:25 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: ka pineapple Group: Ex-Member Posts: 343 Member No.: 1277 Joined: August 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 44 | Good luck in the future wg. I hope you become as epic as you once were. --------------------  | ||
Posted: September 6, 2009 09:26 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Sounds good. I hate when we try stuff and do really good but get lazy and stop (raids, recruitment, etc). We need to keep a steady pace, not a sprint only to tire out. Recruitment is important. I'm working on a few different projects of my own atm. --------------------   | ||
Posted: September 6, 2009 09:30 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 | As for the #wg_lobby problem, can we try this? http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=13812 --------------------  | ||
Posted: September 6, 2009 09:33 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | With the exception of point 3, I think everything here sounds great. I really struggle to see how having spies in an opposing clan benefits WG, in the cases that I know of the clan in question was so incompetent (and really they'd have to be not to detect spies these days) that it made little difference whether we had a spy in them or not because we were owning them both before & after the spy was in it. I can understand the modification of the honour code to benefit WG, hell we allready did that with allowing a form of teleporting (Rings of life) to bring us up to speed with P2P pk'ing, however I think spying is just one step too far. I repeat what I have said before, that spying is definitely not honourable and our reputation would be destroyed if it was found out that we were doing so. --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||
Posted: September 6, 2009 09:39 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
This. It's never a question of if, but rather of when. No one should ever knowingly place themselves in a position where any subsequent possibility - ranging from the best possible to the worst possible outcome - could result in that severe of a backlash. WHEN the clan community finds out we've started using spies, what happens to us then? --------------------  | ||
Posted: September 6, 2009 10:02 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 | Ill spy on clans anyday -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011  http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||
Posted: September 6, 2009 10:33 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | All of it sounds fine though I'm against putting spies in another clan. WG has always stood for honor and doing this puts us at the same level as everyone else. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: September 6, 2009 10:43 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Mixed emotions with the spying. Yes it does give us more action, thus allowing us to become better known and grow bigger. It also ruins any reputation once it is found out. --------------------      | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 12:17 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Here's my take on spies. Other clans spy on us. I know from my time as council that the bigger clans will do whatever they can to find us and kill us without us knowing. It's a serious problem and for all we know we may have spies reading this topic right now. It happens and will continue to happen. It just all comes down to how much we can take. I know we're all for honor, but eventually we're going to get tired of getting killed because people are spying on us. As far as honor goes, I do not encourage getting taken advantage of because we're to afraid to break a "code." I say do it. By not implanting spies we make ourselves weaker than we could be certainly having less fun. It does not make us a NH clan because we're sticking up for ourselves. Crashing a war is completely different than crashing a pk trip - I would say the honorable thing to do is have a spy but only use it for pk trips. -------------------- | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 12:48 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: txtawkin/kathy Group: Ex-Member Posts: 847 Member No.: 1604 Joined: December 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 45 |
hmm....I can't open this link.  --------------------  | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 03:15 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam Group: Emeritus Posts: 1449 Member No.: 228 Joined: February 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 107 |
Well put, good friend. I agree with Randy, although 5 minutes ago I would have been rooting for the opposite side... --------------------  "If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0" | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 03:29 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Looks like the spying thing has to be put to a poll. -------------------- | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 04:58 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 |
Or we can be smart and just shut up about it to the public of the clan and leave it for the higher ups to decide? -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 05:28 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Anthonysc Group: Emeritus Posts: 49 Member No.: 1730 Joined: February 20, 2009 Total Events Attended: 0 | I know that it's not really my business, and I don't know how much weight my opinion carries any more (but probably not much). However, I still feel obligated to speak out on the spying suggestion. Overall, I am against the idea of putting spys into other clans and this is for several reasons. Flat out, I feel that it's a violation of the principals of honesty and integrity that WG was build on. Second, isn't it wrong for us to do to other clans something that we have fought against them doing to us for as long as I can remember? Third, not to disparage anyone's loyalties but I think that at some point , if implemented, this is bound to result in someone turning double agent. Fourth, what will it do our reputation when its discovered we are spying on other clans. I'm certain that at some point it will get discovered and I doubt that the reaction will be favorable. If you do implement Spys this is how it should be done, 1) Get people to "Resign" at least a month before they begin spying. 2) For all intents and proposes the potential spy should appear to be Persona non grata in WG to the point of Banning their account. 3) The Spy should then create a new account with special permissions (In a duplicate user group, like Clan Ally or something) that would allow them to post in a special section that would only be accessible to Spys and current Council (or whatever other User Groups might be able to put the information to good use, like Raid Leaders) Unfortunately for that to be successful you would have to pick dedicated, loyal people who would be willing to sever *most* visible ties with WG -Anthony -------------------- Ex-Secondary Leader, Ex-Council, The Original Forum Tech Original Join Date: 23-October 04 | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 05:29 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | No. This clan will be run with honesty. It's something my leadership team is admired for. -------------------- | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 06:19 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 | Yeah we're starting to go a bit downhill, i'm trying to work on recruitment again but i can only do so much. As for the spying issue Randy pretty much says it all. Raids become boring very fast without any action, and so many other clans are doing it (Yeah i know "just because everyone else does it doesn't make it right") But are we just going to keep disadvantaging ourselves? --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 06:20 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | It's a sensitive issue (spying) for sure. We'll be discussing it further for sure before taking any actions. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 06:56 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | Read it. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council  | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 10:37 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | 1. I'll try to be active. 2. I have the gear required 3. Spies ~ Somethings I just don't want to know. If you are doing this, it should not of been made public to the clan. Do we really need this and do I need to know? 4. Raids and Mega Raids ~ I like Aussie raid most of the time. I haven't been to on in about 3 weeks but I will be attending this. Whatever is decided in this kind of stuff, I just trust the leadership to do the best for us. 5. I like making friends with the new trials and intros. I'm not so great at recruitment. I think the position should be for recruitment. If that person wants to hold events that will be a bonus but not an EL position. They could over see Mentors/Mentees. That would make more sense imo. They need to be very active in #wg_lobby. 6. Sometimes I don't even sign in to #wg. I try to talk in the lobby with the people in black and get to know some of them. Actually Keanu being in the lobby has probably helped us. He is pretty friendly with everyone. I get invited to a lot of private channels and they pm me with questions. It is really early here, so I skipped reading the others responses but I'll come back to it and edit if I need to. Rachy  --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 11:03 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kwaichi Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1827 Member No.: 65 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 119 | I cannot await to see some f2p megaraids again. About regruitmen: I fail at recruiting, i forced to intro 3 my friends, but they never applyed. Anyway, they are all inactive now. Activity: Summer holidays are over so its normal. If someone want to be our spy in other clans, we should allow him and use this adventage, crashing pk trips might be fun  #WG_lobby... --------------------  | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 03:16 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | With the spying issue, I say that if someone does spy, the person who is spying along with the clan that is being spied on, should be held to the discretion of the tertiaries+ and the person who is spying. This prevents any members from being able to leak who is spying to the other clan, keeping privacy and our integrity. So basically, behind the scenes. -------------------- | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 03:26 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: ThisIsUnique Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1664 Member No.: 1417 Joined: October 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | I will try to comment on everything so u know what i think is good Activity - yes, numbers mean nothing if theyre just on our memberlist filling it and lowering our active %. We should be more strict with punishes about raids and things like that. If someone would really skip a raid or war, they should be warned. Gear - I have alot of gear but i do think thinks like a monthly check are needed because some ppl here dont rebuy the gear they lost and thats mostly an used reason for not coming to the raid. O sorry, i'd have to buy gear and i dont want to.. thats the most pathetic excuse, u SHOULD have the gear already. Spies - I wouldn't mind using spies to get us action and things like that, as long as we dont become NH , It's fine for me. Spies are a thing u cant go without or u will become abused by ppl spying in ur clan. Raids and megaraids - This is an absolute must! There must always be a sign up for these no mather what, even if it isnt a mandatory to let ppl know in wg we have a raid, it also helps to see our expected pull. Recruitment leader - That is a very good idea! I think it would be perfect to help out this clan. But we would need more like 2 of them to have a decent recruiting system. We got to take it personal, not just copy paste. The use of WG lobby might help more for recruiting and i will pay attention to this. --------------------   | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 04:54 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: imtheganster Group: Ex-Member Posts: 188 Member No.: 1904 Joined: June 13, 2009 Total Events Attended: 22 | 1. im always active  2. i have way more then that gear for AF 3. spy's....yes tbh...al clans are using them but i think this only should know our leaders/council's 4. Raid's megaraid, yes we need better pulls on this kind of things. Always on f2p aussie raid 10-15 ppl on p2p raids maybe 20-25 on a memberlist of 75 its to less. 5. I recruit like 6 friends and 1 left again...dont got much clanless friends left. 6. ye more active in #wg_lobby is way better then alot activity in #wg -------------------- | ||
Posted: September 7, 2009 05:04 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | As for the spies, I'm fine with it ONLY if we do it to nh clans like Distortion etc. I'd hate to stick spies in good honorable clans that have never done anything nh in their time. All of the other stuff sounds great Lordy, thank you for really taking into account what everyone has been saying/thinking. Oh and if you ever need any help recruiting over other Sites, I got accounts on like 6 fansites, and would love to help. Me and Joe got Tip.it  . I like the the idea of a recruitment leader as well. --------------------   | ||
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