It's obvious the old methods aren't going to work, because they've never worked. At the most we get a moderate uplift for a temporary period, but it made no lasting impression.

But whenever anyone suggests anything outside the norm, they get shot down immediately with "that'll never work" (because we've never done it before so duh it'll fail), "that'll be too hard" (I thought you were all supposed to be dedicated to making WG a better place why is difficulty an issue), or "that's pointless we just need to raise the requirements and recruit more" (which never works stop being a broken record).

WG has lost its community (for trying to be more badass in PvP), it's commitment (by trying to do too much with too little in order to impress the rest of the clan world), and it's meaning to exist (because Arpk'ing is outdated). And I'll tell you right now Arpk'ing will NEVER be outdated. It's not about not killing skillers it's about having a sense of honor and appreciation in PvP.

It's about not killing the guy mining runite, sure. But it's also about not massacring smaller/weaker groups you meet in the Wilderness. If you run into 2-3 guys trying to catch up to their clan somewhere deeper in ARPK'ING MEANS YOU DON'T KILL THEM. You laugh and wave and wish them luck and move on with your little pixelated lives.

This is what -I- would do if I had the power to do it. Think about it.

1. I like Robbie's idea for lower requirements. The rule to RS PvP always has been and always will be "the biggest pile wins" so what's wrong with that? 100s can't tank as well but if you've got 200 of them you're in a pretty good spot.

2. Incentive to train. Being good in PvP isn't enough, you have to add achievable in-clan goals for people to work towards. And we've been inundated with underbanners and signatures and avatars; I don't think that'll work anymore, so:

3. Applications for higher clan ranks. People work for those goals and achieve them over time and feel great about doing it. It's the same reason games add achievements just beating the game gets old you have to add a twist. Ex:

Guardian, 100cb + 80def/mage/range. Default rank.
Higher guardian, 105cb + 85def/mage/range. 2-3 months in WG.
Senior guardian, 110cb + 90def/mage/range. 2-3 months in WG.
Elite guardian, 120cb + 95def/mage/range. 6-9 months in WG.

THAT IS AN EXAMPLE ONLY.

4. Give higher ranks unique events. 1-2 raids a week and 1 war a month would be open to everyone. An additional 1-2 raids and 1 war a month would be reserved for seniors and elites, giving incentive to train to meet these "elite" events.

5. Lay back the gear requirements for lower level ranks. These would be the per se "casuals" aka cannon fodder. If they're happy with where they're at and enjoy it why force them higher? If not, they'll force themselves up the ladder.

6. Council, find crap that you do that other people can do instead. This isn't "oh don't worry council is fine we're not overworked" kind of argument it's an attempt to engage people in the clan instead of behaving like goddamn preschoolers.

7. I'd also like to see the skill sector or an equivalent organization established within the clan. More than anything I think that strengthened and reinforced our devotion to having a community-driven environment.

8. Inclusiveness. Let skillers come to the low-ranked PvP events if they feel like it but otherwise they're free to do what they like (according to the activity requirements of the skill sector). Chimpy's "hippies" can congregate here.

8. And finally, collect all these hairbrained ideas we've collected over the past two weeks (or rather, six years) and put them in a poll. Let's see what people REALLY think in quantifiable terms rather than arguing outselves to a standstill. Again.
 
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Community - I still think it's good. Our community was best when we were a powerhouse .

Commitment - I agree, but I don't think your reason for it is the root of it. I don't think we're trying to impress anybody, we're just trying to be competitve in these rough times for the clan world. We're doing what, imo, we should be doing. Raiding more, Warring more, getting more practice, and slowly but surely getting better. Yeah, it's a big bite, but nothing that any dedicated member shouldn't be able to swallow.

Arpking - We always have a sense of honor in PvP, I don't think that' changed. And I don't think we ever (maybe we did I've only been here a year) let some people go simply because they were low in numbers. Letting returners return safely to wars is something we've always done. Wildy is and always has been a tough place, if you can't compete with us, well then to bad your pixels are ours :\. I would like to see an increase in AC'ing, and protecting returners to big PKRI's. And if a clan/team does crash, we should fight them to the death, giving the clans enough warning to either get out or prepare to fight the crashers. I don't think AC'ing fits into the category of ARPKing but it fit with here .

We don't, nor will we have in the near future, 200 people at one fight. No clan nowadays does. Instead our average pull to a pkri would be 30-40, and levels are VERY important in those. And yes, some low levels can tank very well, but most can't. And it's not just tanking, but binding, melee stats, etc.

I for the most part agree with the concept of this, just going to make some personal tweeks to the thing .

Guardian, 100+cb + 85 def/70 range. Default.
Higher guardian, 105cb+ 90 def/70 mage/range. 2-3 months.
Senior guardian, 112cb+ 95 def/80 range/mage. 3-5 months.
Elite guardian, 118cb + 95 def/84 mage/85 range. 6-9 months.

I think that this is mroe realistic. 90+ mage/Range is hard and can take forever .

I don't want to take events and opts away from events though, although obvioulsy there does need to be incentives.

I'd like to, however low levels die alot more than high levels. But I do agree that they shouldn't have gear that they don't necessarily need, or styles that their levels don't allow them to use. They should also be allowed to welfare a bit I think. I know some great cost cutting tips, that is still considered ok gear. I believe that gear reform was on the way however, saw a topic about it somewhere.

I wasn't around during sectors, but what I often here is that it kind of divided the clan, and I can easily see where that could happen. Also recruiting skillers might be difficult, most would probably just go to full out skilling clans.

Not against it if sector's are ever re-established, however that's rather doubtful imo.
 
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You think our community is good? It is slowly going down the shitter with all of the bickering between members and excessive amount of drama because some people do not want to be open minded.
 
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You think our community is good? It is slowly going down the shitter with all of the bickering between members and excessive amount of drama because some people do not want to be open minded.

I mean yeah there's a few bad apples, when has there ever not been? Most everyone still gets along great and I personally have a great time with everybody .
 
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I think these are two of the best ideas I've seen. A council should definitely take a look. Wtg m8.
 
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