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      IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67    | Our officials spend quite a lot of time doing bitch-work. In other words, updating attendance, signups, updating the banners, processing the apps, awards, promotions. I suggest creating bitches that would do some of the administrative work, without having any clan-power. Perhaps a priviledge or two, whatever, but their first function would be to relieve the officials from work that doesn't require to have the legitimity of a rank. Officials could then spend more time on making decisions, organizing fights & events, talking with members to solve problems. The clan could run a bigger administrative machine: the mentor system could easily be fired back up again to allow efficient integration of new members, for example. These bitches could hand in activity stats reports to the officials, who take a decision on sweeps/promotions, whatever decision they have to make, and the bitches do the updating. Many uses could be found... helping with updating IRC access shit, checking banks for PK gear - anything that takes time without need for any decision, they'd gather the data and submit it to the rank'ers. But it shouldn't be an excuse for officials to do less shit: it should be a mean for them to do more, to take initiatives, to think and act etc... whatever officials do aside from bitch-work. This wouldn't be far from the old moderator status, but instead of simply running forums they'd actually be an accelerator to clan management in all aspects - but with the counterpart that the current officials take advantage from it and take more initiatives (I'm not saying they're not at the moment, but that there's alwyas room for improvement). The bitches would be basically be an extra arm for running the clan, but without any power. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 01:41 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | Lol Zach, who the hell is going to apply for that? You've made it sound like the most horrible rank ever created. Although I like the idea of Moderator rank being brought back. They had power in the IRC & Forums, so there are a few rewards there. ~Abs --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 01:43 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Bitches? No, seriously, for this to work you need no-lifers who just want WG to get better. Dedicated people. Cos regular officials are ready to do bitch-work: but we all agree that shouldn't be their first function? And as a fact, if you do good bitch work, you get a chance to distinguish yourself since you're in close contact with leaders. Thus promotions. Power hungry people can still get their incentive. -------------------- London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 02:13 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Bitches do shit. How great?  I doubt this would go through, as some people don't like sharing power. And it would require power to get some things done. --------------------      | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 02:29 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Group: Emeritus Posts: 505 Member No.: 20 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 27 | I could see this working as long as the leadership don't let their bitches do all the work, and the leadership don't start getting lazy. As long as they use their time efficiently, this could definitely give the leadership more time to get together and make better choices much quicker then they could before, without sacrificing other clan duties. ~Jon -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 02:50 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 |
Updating signup topics and the ML, changing forum ranks, sending out mass PMs is hardly is any power when the decision is still made above. And for officials, it's barely sharing power, it's more like getting more space to exercise your power. Unless you consider bitch work is power... officials at the moment have the double function of "Leader" and "bitch". Doesn't sound very coherent. The trick to prevent the leaders from being lazy is that with bitches, there is no excuse for inactivity in terms of initiative, reaction to clan problems etc. The responsability of leaders stays the same, and if all the bitch work is done by the bitches, it'll be very visible that a leader is lazy. It puts officials in a competition configuration: the activity rate of a leader isn't determined by the bitch work anymore, but by the new shit he tries to inject in the clan: he can be judged only by innovation and dedication, not just forum actions or post count. And time spent for the "normal running" of the clan can't be an excuse for absence of new ideas. -------- Of course this idea is very raw & superficial - the distribution of things that stay the duty of the official, like I don't know, Raid Recaps, has to be thought of more in depth. -------------------- London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 03:29 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DyIan Group: Emeritus Posts: 1205 Member No.: 1638 Joined: January 15, 2009 Total Events Attended: 107 | Whats the point of the rank when this is all taken away? --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 03:47 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | Mayby if the ranks evened it out instead of 1 or 2 doing all the work then things would be easier --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 04:37 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | if the management can't manage. this won't work either change has to start from the top down  --------------------  Goals 2011  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 05:31 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 |
This wouldn't affect the quality of management, only its speed and distribution, allowing for more of it... And it's typically top-down: what we have at the moment is leaders that are at the same time the top and the down. -------------------- London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 06:08 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |  --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 06:31 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | I don't get it, he already has glasses in the first two images. -------------------- London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 06:39 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
Part of the joke. Google "CSI meme" on image search. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 06:48 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Majeic Group: Ex-Member Posts: 775 Member No.: 1671 Joined: January 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 77 | I like the idea of bitches, but I doubt this would go through. --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 09:22 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 | Love the idea, and I absolutely support it. Bitch-work is usually pretty easy, and the individual tasks don't take much work. However when added up, bitch duty can take a toll on people. So its not necessary for this toll to be put on council, when they should spend their time doing more important things. --------------------   | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 09:46 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Read. I love you guys.  Rachy --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 11:02 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | I like it . --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 11:41 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | I've always thought that bringing back moderators would be a good idea. I agree with the general view that for the most part, WG has clean forums that need minimal moderation at most, but the position could easily be diversified to allow for small modifications such as ML changes. I also think greater guidance for mentors is essential. I doubt many, if any mentors actually know what to do, if they even do anything lol  --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 28, 2009 11:52 pm | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 |
^ *cough* APPLICATION MANAGERS *cough* ^ Been there done that, disaster struck! --------------------    | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
Lmao I'd be app manager tbh. But really, it would be nice if the current ranks actually did their job, thus eliminating the need for MORE ranks to do it for them. Because tbh, everything should be covered. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: December 29, 2009 12:45 am | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Well app managers actually took decisions... or did they? I forget. Bitches should be only a helper to officials (and the clan of course). This should just be tried to see what is actually needed to be a good rank'er these days, aside from bitch work. + You get more people helping run the clan which I guess helps dedication...? -------------------- London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Several years overdue? There's got to be odd jobs the council does that can be handed off to people interested in helping the clan run more smoothly. --------------------  | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 |
You just want a rank tard. -------------------- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | having people do paperwork isn't fun. maybe instead of having bitches....have assistants it works the same way except they are learning to become a future council, much more rewarding than being someone's bitch. -------------------- Goals 2011 | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
If I had one you'd be in 20% club for that  -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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