I'm saying if they cant step up they're game they should stop trying to make members step up they're game because its just hypacritical
 
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also would help if leadership listened to why members skipped. lawl
 
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also would help if leadership listened to why members skipped. lawl

You really can't blame it ALL on the leaders. I would honestly be pissed if I see certain individuals blame their activity on the leadership when it's obvious they're just not dedicated themselves.

On topic, using the statistics you posted, 4/12 staff attended (33%). With a member list of 57 and subtracting the 12 staff, that leaves 45 members. 33% of 45 is 15. There is no way we pulled 15 GUARDIANS to that raid, it was probably 15 TOTAL wg. That leaves ~11 members, even lower than the staff percentage.

I encourage the staff to definitely try harder, but it would be wrong to say that to just them. Yes we lead by example but that cannot be an excuse to not attend. It's a team effort so everyone must contribute.
 
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also would help if leadership listened to why members skipped. lawl

You really can't blame it ALL on the leaders. I would honestly be pissed if I see certain individuals blame their activity on the leadership when it's obvious they're just not dedicated themselves.

On topic, using the statistics you posted, 4/12 staff attended (33%). With a member list of 57 and subtracting the 12 staff, that leaves 45 members. 33% of 45 is 15. There is no way we pulled 15 GUARDIANS to that raid, it was probably 15 TOTAL wg. That leaves ~11 members, even lower than the staff percentage.

I encourage the staff to definitely try harder, but it would be wrong to say that to just them. Yes we lead by example but that cannot be an excuse to not attend. It's a team effort so everyone must contribute.

I totally agree with everything your saying, its deffinately up to each and every individual to make sure they attend every event they can. Dont get me wrong i am in no way sticking up for all the fails that never attend events and go when they wish. But the first step for leadership to increase activity is to be more event active themselves.



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I'm not saying they are inactive, im saying event inactive. They are always on IRC in game etc, just when they'res an event they are 'conveniently' busy with other stuff.
 
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I know its not as easy as it sounds, hell i couldn't handle them kind of ranks. But you take the responsibility on knowing full well what you are letting yourself in for, if for some reason you can't handle it, be a man about it and step down for somebody who can handle it.

I'm not saying the ranks cant handle it, i'm just making my point.
 
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My point is you was on pretty much all day leading up to it, why not do CW essay then when you know theres an important raid lateron?

By no means RS > RL, but planning ahead helps.
 
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grilled....

i think the leadership aren't working hard enough card is a common card. don't take it personally! =)

but i can say one thing, i've met people that have always said something great about their leaders for being prompted, committed. the whole 9 yards....

why is that?
 
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one thing to add.

as a leader, your leadership team essentially reflects on you. in other words the clan itself is a reflection of its leader and so on. there is one thing that truly happens like a domino effect and that's duplication. i do believe billy wants to make it clear when it comes that in order for rapid growth and less ranting towards the leader. duplication must be an effective method.
 
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lawl. i admire how you get out of topic?

stick to the post. we're flaming!

RANT lvl 99 ftw =)
 
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We was with Sabres
 
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lawl. i admire how you get out of topic?

stick to the post. we're flaming!

RANT lvl 99 ftw =)

\_O.o_/ I dunno lol, I only read the first post and replied to that. I'd rather not get involved in the flame war this time And yeah, allied raids with Sabres own
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same

Psh I dunno about Gene but I love early hours events. Anything post-1:00 AM GMT is pretty much a guaranteed yes for me, any day.

Yeah we're allowed to have a real life to an extent, but the higher ranks have a responsibility to set some time aside for important events (Well everybody does but it's expected more of RLs, etc.). I suppose people consider out turnout a bad example of it but idc, we fucking raped.
 
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[05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic
[05:42] <%kat> same