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Posted: January 15, 2010 08:32 pm  | |||||
     IRC Nickname: Webberson Group: Guest Posts: 153 Member No.: 2205 Joined: January 8, 2010 Total Events Attended: 12    | Hmm.. I've not been here long, however as i look down the suggestions & Rants forum i see alot of the stuff being ranted about. Now i'm pretty sure you'll now what i mean, some people suggest ditching the Event Leader rank, some people are constantly pissed at people skipping wars, leaving after dying once and finally not enough activity from members that are said to be active on the memberlist etc so on. Now i'm probably not the only one who is thinking this but; There's probably only a handful of options to go about sorting this "problem" people keep ranting about. One suggestion could be concentrating on Warring & Raiding completely and letting the events Leaders and such take a step back, for awhile and try to attract more of the hardcore war and raiding people to the clan to suit the hardcore raiders and waring people in this clan already. It wouldn't be permanent of course, just short time full concentration on it and then eventually, once WG has regained its warring strength by focusing primairily on that, bring the Event Leaders back in to a more active role who can put events together again, hopefully newer members would attend these aswell. The second suggestion... Hmm possibly demoting or kicking the people that the council have noticed who are skipping, constantly being inactive, not even signing up and so on. The reason i'm saying this is because i heard that we managed to only pull 30% of our memberlist to a recent war/raid with a weeks notice, that doesn't seem very productive at all. So possibly kicking those on the main memberlist that aren't pulling their weight and haven't been doing for some time, including the ones who skip. If that's done the leadership will then know how many they could possibly pull to a war, then maybe challenge a clan with similar statistics increasing the chances of winning for WG and not end up losing all the time... Which alot of people have been talking about. Since i've been here, i've been to near every event since joining maybe missing out one which was an aussie raid and was asleep when that was going on:P, and i've yet to see one of them Event Leaders there. Again, these are just some observations of reading what people have said, now what i suggest is discussing what you would think, as a clan would be best in the long run for the clan. Alot of people seem to be running out of patience fast, so i said what i'd suggest doing, but what about the rest of you, the clan? Maybe if enough people can decide together about what to do then you can make the leadership & Council do something about it. Don't get angry at the new guy for suggesting this, but i thought it's better than letting people rip into each other instead of thinking of productive things to do.  ~Webberson. -------------------- Mikel Arteta  Tim CahillNothing But The Best | ||||
Posted: January 15, 2010 09:08 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 |
I totally agree with it all. However for us to dedicate time to warring and raiding. We need that ^^^ to be done. Although i know the clan is split directly down the middle, half want that, the other half want to keep. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: January 15, 2010 10:43 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | All very true. But as everybody knows by now, it's less about what measures would improve WG rather than about what ideal WG is aiming for. More and more topic like yours have been sprouting up, people have been leaving out of frustration (again!) and we're loosing good people (again!). Instead of going in circles around this problem, we should confront it. And one thing that is lacking, is an accurate measure of the clan's opinion. We should confront the problem of the general orientations and motivations of this clan. Talk about it. Let's see what everyone has to say, to suggest. Let's see how many people want what. Let's consider what is most important for most people now, instead of considering what would've been important for the Guardians of 2005. More and more people are voicing this point of view, and most importantly, it is the active people voicing it. Let's actually debate the issue. Because clearly something's outdated. What is? well we can't find out without gatehring opinions. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||||
Posted: January 15, 2010 11:11 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | From what I gather it's the same ideas again  -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: January 15, 2010 11:14 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Webberson Group: Guest Posts: 153 Member No.: 2205 Joined: January 8, 2010 Total Events Attended: 12 |
An appropiate response. What's your actual view on the topic? If you read it i asked what you, the clan would want leadership to do about it, tell them to do something one way or another or you'll just see topics like this again, and again and again not from me obviously, but from others surely. -------------------- Mikel Arteta Tim CahillNothing But The Best | ||||
Posted: January 15, 2010 11:53 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | We're always going to have this problem. We never focus enough on warring, so people get bored and leave, then we slump, then we have almost no members to have a community of. But hey atleast we'll still have our ToG events! --------------------    | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 02:42 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 |
Precisely... they just need to be acknowledged and acted upon. -------------------- London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 03:04 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Webberson Group: Guest Posts: 153 Member No.: 2205 Joined: January 8, 2010 Total Events Attended: 12 |
It seems like it never will, the suggestion has been here a couple of days and not one rank higher than your self Snowzak, has posted on it. Yet people wonder why there are constant topics circling this subject. I perhaps should of made a pole to see which option they'd choose, lol. Although that wouldn't really be my job to do.  -------------------- Mikel Arteta Tim CahillNothing But The Best | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 03:46 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 | Honestly, I'm not against kicking the inactives at all. Showing a 60 man memberlist and pulling 20 is sorta pathetic. Hell, we pulled about 25 to a day prep, and we pull 25 to a week prep? I don't get it. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 05:43 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | I've said it before and ull say it again, its falling on death ears, no action is being taken. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 09:27 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Kcross|RDC Group: Banned Posts: 2535 Member No.: 1723 Joined: February 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 202 | I think there should be a certain amount of wars you have to attend, let's say a minimum 3 out out every 5 we have - and if you don't meet that quota, you get a warn level. So, let's say you make 2 out of the 4 wars we've had the past two weeks... if you miss the next one, you get a warn level. Also, if you miss a war and post an excuse, even if it's beforehand, it should still count as a miss, the only exception being if you're out of town for like 3 days+ or if you're shot in the stomach 5 times and put in the hospital. If you decide to go to a friends house, hang out with your GF, get drunk at a friends house and pass out on their floor, and you miss the war, no big deal. That just means you have to do your best to make the next 3 out of 4. I don't think it's right to discourage having a life, but you should still be active enough to make at least 60% of the fights we have. Thoughts on this idea? -------------------- Kcross73 – KevCross – Kevin Proud Trial Guardian: December 24, 2009 – January 10, 2010 Proud Guardian: January 10, 2010 – February 13, 2010 Proud Event Leader: February 13, 2010 – November 27, 2010 Proud Council: November 27, 2010 – July 5, 2011 | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 09:49 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 |
i think thats a bit unfair. what if someone really can't make it the next few wars. Like they go out to a frands house or something on that day that there is a war, and then doing something again for the next couple of wars. They could be generally really war active and attend all they can, yet get a warn level if they happen to go out the next few times? --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 09:55 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kcross|RDC Group: Banned Posts: 2535 Member No.: 1723 Joined: February 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 202 |
Well, there's a line between between being unfair and trying to get people's asses to wars. If it were me, I would draw it there. Where would you draw it? -------------------- Kcross73 – KevCross – Kevin Proud Trial Guardian: December 24, 2009 – January 10, 2010 Proud Guardian: January 10, 2010 – February 13, 2010 Proud Event Leader: February 13, 2010 – November 27, 2010 Proud Council: November 27, 2010 – July 5, 2011 | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 10:26 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Armybuilder Group: Raid Leader Posts: 1468 Member No.: 2173 Joined: December 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 227 | In that case why dont we look at home many wars they have been to in the past month if its over half then there fine but under you get a warn level? We have what 5-6 wars a month maybe more 3 wars isnt that hard to get to tbh --------------------     | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 03:37 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | It's not like we aren't looking at who didn't attend wars. I have an agenda thread in lvl 4 that I update with the information. I'll be doing another one soon and if the people on the list don't have good reasons or have inactivity posted it will be acted on. Webberson, you haven't been in a clan before to understand the complete dynamics of things. Not only that you had not even attended a war when I did that check. Being new doesn't mean your input is any less looked at though. I encourage you to keep up with the suggestions, you being new may give you a different view that we could use. KCross, you didn't consider that we have adults in the clan that have employment or Uni or even children of their own. At your view, I understand what you are thinking. There is much more to consider than just going out with friends. Thanks again to everyone for their input. Your voices are heard and considered when we make decisions. Rachy --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 03:45 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Webberson Group: Guest Posts: 153 Member No.: 2205 Joined: January 8, 2010 Total Events Attended: 12 |
I have attended a war, i attended the F2P war against Legacy, clearly the attendance wasn't posted. Speaking of which i've been to 6 - 7 events since i've been here, one a war, yet it states i've only been to 3. So make sure you update the events before saying people never attended. -------------------- Mikel Arteta Tim CahillNothing But The Best | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 03:56 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kcross|RDC Group: Banned Posts: 2535 Member No.: 1723 Joined: February 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 202 |
Well, not to sound like a dick, but I still stand by my idea. No offense to anybody, but if something like that restricts your time enough to where you can't make wars most of the time, you may want to reconsider being in a clan for the time being. Some people can be active while having a lot of things in RL to deal with... and maybe some can't. And of course, exceptions could be made for people who truly need them. -------------------- Kcross73 – KevCross – Kevin Proud Trial Guardian: December 24, 2009 – January 10, 2010 Proud Guardian: January 10, 2010 – February 13, 2010 Proud Event Leader: February 13, 2010 – November 27, 2010 Proud Council: November 27, 2010 – July 5, 2011 | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 08:59 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Nice to see some leaders on the thread. Kcross, your idea's logic isn't flawed, but applying it too WG might be difficult for two reasons. The first is that you'd need staff to keep track of the system, and most importantly to keep track of all the complaints concerning it. With current staff activity it might be a lot of air for nothing. Then, you have to consider the particular nature of WG. I think the general objective at this point in time is to ensure at all times that the large, floating community of semi-retired and less active people can drift in and out with most ease. But there's also the objective of war performance. Of course there's conflict of interest, and the balance is shifting towards inactivity. The problem is, it's going to kill out the active part of WG, since the active people are leaving out of frustration. Action, please. -------------------- London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||||
Posted: January 17, 2010 11:05 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | if the active people are leaving out of frustration. let them be. after all, its apparent that we don't attract that kind of crowd =D --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||||
Suggestion, Just having a ponder.