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Posted: February 23, 2010 08:58 pm  | |||||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133    | So yeah, part deux of my other rant topic, here it is, my solutions  .ACTIVITY BY ATTENDANCE PERCENTAGE We did this in Team Kenya with much success. We have a spread sheet with everyones name, and in one column we have our total amount of events, and in the other we have amounts attended by that member. Divide one by the other, x 100 and you got your activity percentage of each member. I recommend starting at about 60% activity, 6 out of 10 events isn't really that much to ask for. And if events are out of your timezone or you have another overriding issue you can work something out with council or whoever will be managing it. Make Joe do it he's our excel and attendance man .SKIPPING Regardless of rank or merit, if you skip a war or pk, you get 40-60% Warn and a two week suspension. I would say just kick them but I'm trying to make a slight compromise for the hippies .HIGHER REQUIREMENTS Been alot of discussioni about this in level 2, matter fact it looks like we're going to go through with it (Pro leak ), but I figured I'd post it here anyways.I personally suggest either ~ 100+ FA, 105+ TG, 108+ full member ~ - Pros: Still have 100+ req - Cons: We don't keep out old trial system, the new system would be more complicated. ~ 105+ TG, 110+ Full member; OR 100+ cmb with 94+ mage or 95+ range. ~ - Pros: More solid req., the 100+ alternative has good p2p member potential (many lvl ~100's that are mage/range tanks). - Cons: Still means having low levels, but they can still be rather beneficial now no? I likd #2 better myself. ALL WARS MANDATORY SIGN UPS ) Signing up for every event with a prep over 3 days is MANDATORY. ** 2) For every war/raid that you don't sign up for, you instantly get a warn level. *** 3) If you sign up as Yes and don't come TWICE, then you will be warned. **** 4) If you don't come to 3 events in a row WITHOUT legitimate reason, you will be warned, and if youre really that inactive probably kicked eventually. 5) Every Raid/War, matched or what have you, will be treated as EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, and will as stated have mandatory sign ups. ----- ** - Meaning that anything over 3 days prep, EVERYONE must sign up. Under 3 days and you're inactive at the time for whatever reason, and you don't sign up, ur gud. *** - For every 3 events consecutively signed up for after that, warn level for not signing up gets erased. **** - For every 2 events that you do sign up as yes for and do ccome to, warn will be erased. MORE TRANSPARENCY The Members don't know what is going on in levels 3 & 4, and we hear all the time "Don't worry it's being discussed in level 3/4" Then nothing ever comes out of it. Why not give like a weekly or monthly announcement, jsut saying what you guys are talking about, or maybe just talk about more things in level 1. I don't really think most of the stuff you guys talk about in there is UBER SEEKRAT. The Members really feel distanced from the Council atm, and I think it's hurting us. WAR BULLETINS TYPE THINGS IDK WHAT TO CALL IT Just have BIG and BRIGHT notices at the top of the Forum with links to the fight topic, or have a different way of making noticing events easier. The PvP events forum hardly ever gets read, even though it should, and it's because people only see the bumped topic from the forum index, not all the other ones. And it can get a bit confusing when you have alot of wars in one week. EXAMPLES: Forum Heading: http://img194.imageshack.us/i/eventnotice1b.png/ Alternative Events Forums layout: http://img717.imageshack.us/i/eventnotice2.png/ They're ugly and annoying but they work pretty damn good. AUDIO Get Teamspeak 3. It's just as clear as mumble, has cooler stuffs, and it is far, far better for allied events. I invite the Sabres to pretty much all of our pks but they don't come because only like 3 have mumble downloaded, and you can't blame them really. That's about it for now, if I think of something else or you want me to add something else, I will. Discuss. AND DON'T FUCKING IGNORE!!!! --------------------    | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:00 pm | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Good work lil fella. --------------------   | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:04 pm | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Uma Group: Ex-Member Posts: 36 Member No.: 2231 Joined: February 7, 2010 Total Events Attended: 16 | good ideas but i dont like the 40-60% warn for missing a war :/ not everyone can be available all the time --------------------  | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:04 pm | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: `Nath Group: Guest Posts: 1897 Member No.: 1873 Joined: May 11, 2009 Total Events Attended: 70 | IF this gets done then EPIC. I'll watch this space. See what council say. --------------------
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Posted: February 23, 2010 09:06 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
I didn't write that, it's only if they don't sign up and don't have a valid reason for not doing so. Same stands for skipping, if you're online, you're at the raid/war. -------------------- | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:06 pm | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | Yes. --------------------    | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:07 pm | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 | Yes to everything. Only problem is spur of the moment raids/events which should never be mandatory. --------------------   | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:09 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
I wouldn't hate this tooo much if we had more planned out raids that were mandatory. -------------------- | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:11 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |
Improved suggestion is improved. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:12 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
lolz -------------------- | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:13 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | Thank you Joe for yet another useless post -------------------- | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:14 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |
Thank you for not reading yet another useful post. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:17 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | Before people say that I'm too new, I have been going around and talking to people to get their opinions and ideas. This is a summary of it so far with my own ideas added in. ---- The first part: a new spreadsheet should be made for everyone and the same for new members who join after and events only start counting for them from the time they've joined.  What about when people go inactive with reason for extended periods of time and there percentage drops below it? Personally I'm also more a fan of the second requirements option. However I don't feel we should raise the requirements before we start winning wars again. ---- A couple of things I'd like to add: Start making sign ups for ALL Wars and Raids that have a prep time over 3 days and make signing up mandatory, miss 2 sign ups and you'll be sent a warning. Miss another without excuse and you get the boot. ----- The members need to start contributing and when the council do agree to the option of starting to discuss stuff in public/ level 1 or 1.75 the members should not respond to serious topic with joke posts. The members need to start helping out the council as well by pointing out people who haven't signed up yet and by helping them to spam reminders in irc once in a while. ---- Wars need to by hyped up more and members should be told to train for upcomming wars to get them pumped up and leveld up. When you spent a lot more time preparing for a war the mentality will be better and you will want to win more. Negativity needs to be removed from the forums and members need to stop posting demotivating comments such as 'we're going to lose anyways' or things along that line. ----- The council needs to get more involved with the clan members and should become more active and start engaging in IRC conversations as well, some do this yet several are lacking. ----- A large part of the problem is that the community is too divided at the current time and unhappy. --------------------  | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:32 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
Good question, I'm sure there's a way to work out the kinks, for example putting like an "E" in there for excused and make it not hurt thier percentage. Knacker Joe/Robbie about it they're the spreadsheet queens.
Higher reqs will help us win wars.
Sounds good.
Agreed.
Agreed, we should have abnenrs and sigs for every major war.
Yus, *SLOWLY GLARES AT STOKENUT/LORDY* . -------------------- | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:33 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 |
You just made stuff green and dleted a few lines. No honor. -------------------- | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:33 pm | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | When it comes to the events part, I am part to blame at the inactivity that occurs at them. I honestly do not have time to be event active in WG and that is why I previously asked for Emeritus, but I have not been given that. Because of this, I am not going to input my opinion on what happens at events or the attendance of them. Transparency would be nice. It is something I have advocated since I have been a higher guardian. Higher requirements are said that they will improve WG. Why not try? I don't mind having the FA requirement actually. Mandatory war sign ups would also be nice. It would bring people onto the forums. Something that you have to know and do though is make sure that there is a way to keep the PvP events forum clean. I look in it and it gets extremely messy. --------------------      | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 09:37 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: {Rene} Group: Guest Posts: 838 Member No.: 267 Joined: February 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | I forgot to add though that the Important Announcements forum should be used more often not just to advocate your winter awards which could have just been handled without posting in IA except for the winners. It should be used to advertise actual important stuff regarding events and clan decisions not the winter awards and such. -------------------- | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 10:15 pm | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | I agree. But we need a nazi in the council. Which we don't have. Keeping track of attendance is seriously long, boring, monotonous, time-munching. If you don't have at least one person that'll take the time and effort to be the one everybody hates, then it's useless to implement any activity requirements. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 10:20 pm | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 |
You used one example of a post. I used that forum because it is the only one that I can GUARANTEE my topic will be read. Not my fault, it's other members who refuse to read forums that aren't classified as "Important". Chimpy, great suggestions, some of them are being discussed, some could be most helpful. Apologies, but it is late and so I will read and post in depth tomorrow afternoon, hope that's ok. (I know you would would prefer a longer and more sincere, in depth reply than a quick post because i'm tired  )x --------------------    | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 10:27 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
I said the same thing to Groe last night. Good to know that my thoughts of the best way to get things done in here, is shared by others. -------------------- | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 10:30 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | One further thought before I sleep - you want more planned raids? How the hell can we do that when 3 staff have just walked out on us? Yeah I didn't want to have to say this, but cmon, it's quite frankly a disgrace. We, as members of WG, need to give the staff support, especially those who are newer to the job and have less experience. We all need to work together, or NOTHING will get done and WG will remain as it is.... which I think we can all agree would destroy WG as we know it. -------------------- | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 23, 2010 11:20 pm | |||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 |
Support, yes. Yes to responsability as well. Which is the egg, which is the hen, troll it out. But things have to start somewhere, and leaders are leaders because five people are supposed to start shit faster than fifty do. -------------------- London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 24, 2010 12:15 am | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | Good ideas Chimpy. If we want to do better we're going to have to get more strict. That's just the way it goes. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 24, 2010 12:22 am | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | One problem that I see is members will use the Emertius rank to bypass the activity requirement while still coming to the events they want. Possible option I guess is to limit emertius rights. I know emertius like to cry about this subject, but if they want to play with WG I think they should just join as a member. If they can't keep the activity requirement, than they shouldn't be qualified to fight with WG. One example of someone who has done this in a way is Kero2, who was never talked to about it, so it is viable and possible. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||||||||||
Posted: February 24, 2010 01:14 am | |||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Darth Group: Ex-Member Posts: 4601 Member No.: 838 Joined: June 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 558 | ACTIVITY BY ATTENDANCE PERCENTAGE Please, and if Joe would like to do the Excel work, I'd be really happy. SKIPPING Agreed HIGHER REQUIREMENTS Can't do until Lordy okays it, so it's at quite a standstill. ALL WARS MANDATORY SIGN UPS Ye that'd be good.  MORE TRANSPARENCY Okay WAR BULLETINS TYPE THINGS IDK WHAT TO CALL IT I don't know HTML, ask Robbie lolz AUDIO See above^ --------------------  | ||||||||||||
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