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Posted: March 28, 2010 06:48 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137    | Alright, this is my analysis of the Personal Trainer System. For those that are unaware, Gene asked me to “work” with people on a one on one level to help them find what they needed to train, be it motivation, or just advice on gear or spots to use. That’s it in a nutshell. So, I was asked to work with three people: Hamfield3 (who eventually left) Kung Man149 Emoxhunter23 (never saw him on IRC, sent him PMs and never got a reply, so never had the chance to actually work with him) On the side I did what I could to help Keanu train as well. So, my personal thoughts on the system: - It is a great alternative to raising the requirements - Given a proper PT (Personal Trainer) things will work out nicely - It won’t work if you’re trying to force them to train - You have to give THEM the choice of method (if they want to grind, help them find a place to grind. If they need money, help them find a place that will give them XP and cash.) - Try to be more than just a PT to them, after all, they’re still members of WG The success of this system depends entirely on the PT doing the work. If they go to the people they are working with and just tell them the good spots to train and how easy it is to max out, then nothing is going to happen. Nobody likes just being told what to do, and how much of a failure they are because they’re not something. Instead help them find a method that WORKS FOR THEM. The idea is to help them customize a training regiment that fits them. Some people WANT to train, but just can’t stomach grinding for hours and hours. You might suggest they go to AZs maybe twice a day, 3 days a week fir 600k combat XP a week. Sure, it’s not going to get 99 in any skill in a week, but it’s better than no training at all. I know from experience that I couldn’t stand doing the same thing for hours on end. I’d switch between Slayer and the DT skeletons. Things like this are what would need to be suggested. Maybe they get annoyed with just standing in one spot and just need variety in their training environment. At the same time, help them understand what training methods are good for what circumstances. If they’re AFK or semi-AFK then suggest an applicable place to train (DT skeletons, Bandits). If they’re paying attention suggest AZs or Slayer for better EXP. Like I said, it’s ALL about helping THEM find what is right for them, not telling them what works and forcing them to do it. People chosen for this role would need to understand this, and establish that their role isn’t to get them to max out in a month, or to just hardcore train whenever they’re online. The role of the PT is to get the people they’re working with to understand and find out what the most effective way to train is for THEM. They’re supposed to help the people they’re working with find out how they can still get some training in without putting aside the things they want to do for themselves. Before writing this up, I talked to Kung Man149 and Keanu (who I worked with unofficially): They basically said the same things. They think the system worked for them, and felt is was a better alternative to the normal “TRAIN FFS!” They felt it was more effective to have someone help them out one on one, rather than just be told to do something and then just be alone to figure out what is best for them, not just best in general. Both said that they felt more motivated to train for WG after having become a part of this system. The approach I thought was key, and they seemed to feel that it helped them understand that I really was there to help. In the end, I came to believe that everyone in WG does want to have the skills we want them to have (to some degree) and a lot of it just comes down to not knowing how to get it and still do the things they want. For some of us, getting the skills IS what we want. I know when I was maxing, that was all I was really after, so I didn’t mind spending all my time training. Some people want to skill and train, and need help finding out how to split their time effectively. --------------------   | ||
Posted: March 28, 2010 07:00 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Go David  -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: March 28, 2010 07:37 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | O fenks. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 28, 2010 08:30 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Owennnn Group: Emeritus Posts: 1447 Member No.: 37 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 55 | Wow, you basically took my profession and applied it to a video game. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 29, 2010 12:57 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Is that good or bad? Lol. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 29, 2010 02:50 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam Group: Emeritus Posts: 1449 Member No.: 228 Joined: February 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 107 |
It's elite. --------------------  "If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0" | ||
Posted: March 29, 2010 02:54 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | <-- is rather impressed with the overall quality of this report. I have some thoughts, but they're not directly applicable to this or quite presentable yet. I'll mull over them for a few more days and see if anything strikes me and I'll pass it on then if I have anything to contribute. But yeah, really nice work David. There's a nice level of professionalism with this that I respect alot.  --------------------  | ||
Posted: March 29, 2010 03:42 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I try  . -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 29, 2010 04:53 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Owennnn Group: Emeritus Posts: 1447 Member No.: 37 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 55 | Taken from the "Exercise Professionals Code of Ethical Practice" Principle 1: "Exercise professionals will be respectful of their customers and of their rights as individuals" - You can't make or expect people to do something they don't want to do, have respect for what people enjoy or want. Principle 2: "Exercise professionals will nurture healthy relationships with their customers and other health professionals" - Don't be a dick to your client, their needs are priority, not yours. Clarity in communication ensuring honesty, cooperation and accuracy. Avoid conflict of interest arising between customers and own professional obligations. Principle 3: "Exercise professionals will demonstrate and promote a clean and responsible lifestyle and conduct." - Take from this what you will, but basically you need to be a good example to whoever you're training. Principle 4: "Exercise professionals will seek to adopt the highest level of professional standards in their work and the development of their career" - Engage in actively seeking to update knowledge and improve professional skills in order to maintain a quality standard of service. Willingness to maintain their own effectiveness and confine themselves to practice those activities. -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 29, 2010 03:49 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Wow we really are applying this to Runescape. Awesome. __________ Guys I'm hearing how badly you want us to get stronger and I'm sorry about your anger over my requirements. David trialed my Personal Trainer System for a few months and discovered it works. I'm going to apply it to more members, and hire two more trainers. If it does the job of training people, we can get the same results as a requirement raise, without any of the negatives I'm worried a req raise will bring. --------------------  | ||
Posted: March 29, 2010 06:51 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 |
so basicly work people to accomodate our wants instead of having them meet our requirements. sounds good but it's time consuming as not everyone is subject to learn. --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||
Posted: March 29, 2010 07:39 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | This is exactly what I did to get flat 99's. I went to DT skellys for a quick level then I did slayer. I did it in rune with FooD!!! I only had a whip at the time. Now there are so many more options available for training. All you really need is the desire to improve and the commitment to see it through. There are always places to go for money (pc) while training as well. Just remember its all numbers and if you do something everyday it won't seem to be as much of a chore. Mix up work and the things you enjoy. The time passes all too quickly. Good luck all. --------------------   | ||
Posted: March 29, 2010 11:32 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Very, very nice. What do I do to train? I am NOT using the current vernacular trying to troll you. I have the combat level its just that I do not have the muscle memory to war effectively and I have absolutely NO desire to PK people to get the experience. So is there an alternative? -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 30, 2010 01:00 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
Do explain?  ~ The personal trainer system was a brilliant idea and worked amazing for me. I was raiding as a clan friend for the Red Blade Hunters a few weeks ago, and the leader of the trip at one point said over Vent when we ran into a pure clan, "If you can attack those people you REALLY need to train." in true military fashion. I thought, that's what I would expect from every clan who's upcoming, at their peak, and working to get better. When David addressed me personally and kept in contact with my progress, gave suggestions and help (both physically and morally), he was representing the statement that rather than just using us for our combat levels and sets, the clan values people for who they are and what they have/are capable of achieving. I though, that's what I would expect from the Wilderness Guardians. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
Posted: March 31, 2010 11:05 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Mmangler/Lee I understand totally what you are saying. I don't go out pk either but could use the improving in my warring skills too. My idea is to do some fun events at cwa maybe with the clan. Nothing like a war but like 5 or 6 friends just versing some random teams and messing around. David This is exactly what we need. Yet again you come through for WG. Thank you so much for all the time you put in behind the scenes. I know I really appreciate you. Gene This is a great way to have the lower requirements and still get to where we want to be. The system should get easier as we have more experience in the process. Some things are worth the extra time and effort. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: March 31, 2010 06:03 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I try . -------------------- | ||
Posted: March 31, 2010 11:10 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Rachel got it in one. Prior to the removal of the old wilderness, I essentially avoided the wilderness because it was more likely than not that I would get killed if I went there. In fact, I upped my combat level to make it more likely that I would survive a wilderness trip. Of course this raised my combat level without giving me the experience necessary to fight anyone. Of course, the higher combat level made surviving easier but actual combat in the form of cwa or raids is a different matter. My understanding is that cwa is a matter of practice with clicking and movement a matter of muscle memory. It is the latter that I would like to practice without PKing. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 1, 2010 01:10 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | Ah, I know what you mean  It was similar when I joined WG. My skills are of level 80-100 in F2P, and I'm in a clan which demands the skill of 100-120 in P2P. I guess it just takes practice and experience in the field to get used to it. I enjoy the thrill and adrenaline of P2P raids, wars and PK run ins, even if I'm not so great. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
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