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Posted: April 18, 2010 08:58 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305    | Do you know what the opposite of Love is? Some of you may say that it is hate. But to tell you the truth, what I'm seeing in WG is not hate but way worse. It is something called lack of caring. When you care for something it is a level of love that you're willing and wanting to show interest in it. Not limited to just reading the forums. You have a personal interest and relationships within the clan. You concern yourselves with others and not just your own interests. You could even feel anxiety or fear of failure and/or letting your clan mates down. You expect and look for the leaders to give to you, be full of caring for you, keep up with all their responsibilities, to give the clan a constant love and service that keeps on giving. As long as you are receiving this, you are content but never happy cause you want more. When things get tough, you see the opportunity to move on to another clan or maybe retire from RS. But if you should return to us, you will expect a loving friend to be waiting for you. You all call me friend. I know we have a core group of members here that give so much. I need you to search your hearts and see if you can't find the care. Gene gives so much to us. His caring for the clan runs deep into his soul. Try to give back even a small portion of what you have received. (This is not directed at anyone or any rank. This is just how I feel sometimes when I see you flaming each other and not caring.) --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: April 18, 2010 09:43 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | I think one of the triggers for things like this has been Kyle's leaving. When he said "I haven't had fun in this clan in months", it really was a tough blow. The reason I wrote the pinned topic in Goodbyes was to try and avoid posts like that because I know how hard they can strike the clan - especially the leadership. But Kyle has played his part, and outdone himself at that, and we should ask no more of him, as he has been a great council, clanmate and friend. I myself have mentioned WG's lack of timeliness with things. The anniversary is a prime example, and things have just kept on being delayed and postponed. But I realise what Rachel is trying to say here. I have been through the deep history of WG and it's forum and I probably know more about Eugene than he does himself  . He has put sweat and blood (and occasionally semen) into WG, and as an ex-leader myself I know and believe that his priority in WG is it's members.We are a Runescape and a community clan and Runescape is a game. It's made for fun and enjoyment, and that's what we should be doing. The community should provide a warm and friendly atmosphere where everyone is valued and treated equally, so that our members don't feel like just another name on a list. Even in our darkest hours there are people who are working to their extremes to provide that for us like Gene. So maybe we're not the strongest clan or have the most members. But the leadership is working towards it. You remember the Great Announcement, and I quote off the top of my head, "Because so many of you have resigned yourselves to the belief that we'll never be great." The thing about it is, WG is already great. So many people I know outside our walls say "oh, WG should have died long ago" BUT WE HAVEN'T. Because we always know our focuses and our goals. We always know how what we can do to take the next step forward. And Rachel has outlined that the clan is split with the members who love the clan and those who do not care. And the ones who love WG are the ones willing to do what it takes to take that next step. Another constant phrase which I have heard a lot in the past is "WG doesn't owe you anything, YOU owe WG". Mostly focused around leaving. I've had it said to me before. And now, I agree with it. I'm focusing so much on Gene on this post its's unfair to the rest of the leadership but he is one of the greatest leaders of all time. And I am not talking just in Runescape. He is recognised as the longest standing constant leader of a clan and it's with good reason. And actually I'll skip the flowery bullshit because this is long past tl;dr. The bottom line is, I have the utmost respect for WG's leadership, and I know that I owe my experience in WG to them, and the rest of my clanmates here. I have done what I can and will forever continue to do my best as a member for us. And as members it's easier said than done but at the same time it's so much simpler to understand - recruiting, attending as many events as possible, being active on the forums, being friendly, helpful, mature, respectful... it's everywhere. I'll end this now. Rachel pointed the topic out to me and I felt I needed to deliver, may have overdone it a tad  But that's it. We know our goals, we know what we must do, we know how to do it... it's just actually doing it. As the King of Rock and Roll once said, "A little less conversation, a little more action please" (Good song, check it out). So let's do it!tl;dr: I love WG. And I will ALWAYS be ready to take our next step. Are you with us? --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
Posted: April 18, 2010 10:59 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | I don't think I can add much more to the two amazing posts above... I am approaching my 3 year anniversary in WG now... and this is really the first time that i've been genuinely worried for WG's future. Gene and the rest of the staff can only do so much, and this is not to say that the staff are doing all that they can be, not at all.... but the staff can't do everything. The members have to give us a hand, they have to want WG to succeed, because at the moment, as i'm sure you're aware... things are looking pretty bleak. So let's pick up our chins and transform WG back to the fun, caring community that it once was and will be again. x --------------------    | ||
Posted: April 18, 2010 11:35 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | Gene can't do it, staff can't do it, members can't do it. What is it? It is the feeling you have for WG it only can come from inside. I still have it for what was built here. I fully realize what Gene has done and sacrificed for us to be around. --------------------   | ||
Posted: April 19, 2010 12:54 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | Attitude reflects leadership, the leadership for the longest time was content to sit back and wait for Gene to hold their hand. When they can't hold onto his apron strings they act like children. The members see this attitude and the strife it causes then they wonder why they should care when it's obvious the people they chose to lead don't. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: April 19, 2010 01:22 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
completely true. no action was taken by leaders to rebuild until gene stopped everything to do it. you cant just cant say "hey, everyone needs to do the work". you guys are the leaders. we voted you in to do the hard work and this whole problem that we are in now could have been resolved 4-5 months ago with alot less work --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||
Posted: April 19, 2010 02:17 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | There is no one to blame but ourselves. A combined effort of the tertiaries, council, and all of the members have led us downhill. Council and tertiaries have been laid back, not enforcing things, goofing around a lot of times, leading the members to believe that all of these things are OK. This dates back before most of the current staff was even elected, and has obviously shown. Standards are now gone, and members do what they want, when they want. Council sat back a bit to let the clan lay stagnent for quite a while until Lordy returned, expecting him to be the almighty savior. Remember staff: You are our leaders. You need to put on some pants and do what you feel needs to be done. I know Lordy might want things to be approved by him, but do not be scared to make a change that you know will be beneficial to the clan. Changes can almost always be reversed. Members have not helped the staff do the basic stuff. I know many have volunteered to do the more intense stuff or rare things, such as work on IRC/forums/Mumble or by finding pictures to help Lordy, but we have forgotten many things. Recruitment is a key point, along with activity. I know the vast majority of us have gotten to the point where we say RL > RS, but can you miss going out once a month to have a damn good time at a war for us? If done in moderation, then RS shouldn't interfere with RL. You still get 7 days or so to drink/have sex/smoke or whatever each one of y'all do. I personally request off of work to make an important thing. The Great War, the Clan Quest, multiple other wars and important dates, I have tried to arrange my schedule to make. If these important things were attended by the vast majority of our clan, they would be 2x more successful than they are. We would then get a better public image, improving our rate and success in recruitment. Another thing that could help would be to try to recruit a bit more. We all play RuneScape. When and if we train any skill, there is a little time for us to go post on forums. Put a clan signature in your signature on the forum, and get our name out there. Many people have given up on RSC, and many people have posted about how great TIF are. We get waves of recruitment activity where multiple people post on the same topic, but that gets us nowhere. At our current level, we need to scourge across every single thing that we can to find that next extremely active member. The clan world has gone to the point where all that matters is winning. People that join a clan are more than likely going to aim for a top clan, rather than a clan like WG, which has more morals/honor than other clans. We have to appeal to these clans. We have to restart at the bottom of the clan world. All we have now is a history behind us. Don't rely on our past to bring us forward. Just my views on how we could improve. It just seems like every person in WG has gotten to the point where they will not accept that they are in the wrong, and will just try to blame others. They do not care enough for WG to risk a few of their personal preferences. We are not as tight as we once were. --------------------      | ||
Posted: April 19, 2010 07:38 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | lots of motivation but lack of action. don't get me wrong though, when people do commit to action things do happen even if it ain't how it would have been wanted. there is trial and error. i've learned growing up that if you truly love someone (or in this example, something) your sole being of existence is to mutually co-exist in "harmony". (more like acceptance than understanding). in my perspective, standing back and learning on the sidelines, proving and challenging myself is letting the clan feel the love as it lacks to acknowledge or accept that it's not about me committing to the clan but the clan committing to the best interests. p.s. the interesting point of history is that it repeats itself in so many ways. ex. past injustices repeat with a severity to them. same with clan acknowledgements. --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||
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