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Posted: May 6, 2010 12:44 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Garrett_xD Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1316 Member No.: 2159 Joined: November 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 132    | So i think that getting into wg as a trial guardian is great and all, but dont think your finished yet, theres a little thing that you need to become a full member, RAID GEAR When I joined wg i had a little more than a 4m bank, barely could afford a whip, I worked hard to get to the 10m raid gear for becoming a member, i sent in my graduation on the last day. I know Bryan helped me a lot with getting there. What I call Bryan is a Money Mentor. He helped me keep on track with getting my gear for graduation. If we had people in wg to be assigned to just keep the unwealthy trials focused on getting the money for raid gear we wouldnt have as many late trials. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 12:47 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | It would also help if people wouldn't complain about it and instead make the effort to meet the reqs. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 01:05 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
I could argue that the reqs are an unneccesary precaution. We require almost 6m worth of gear. Look at us now, how often do we use it? I have always thought that a clan shouldn't have control over your account. Standard requirements and monthly gear checks are halfway there. It will be a long time before we even need 10 rune sets for an event. I have lost recruits on Tip.It because of our gear requirements - it is a hinderance. We seriously need to rethink these. Here is our opportunity. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 01:09 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |
I've been against the gear reqs but there's still no excuse not to have em if they're required. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 03:26 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I think given our current state, we should reduce the required amount of gear. Obviously certain people will be over it, but it will allow those who aren't as rich to still comply with our standards. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 04:20 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Garrett_xD Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1316 Member No.: 2159 Joined: November 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 132 |
that would help,  -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 04:41 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
Thank you. My take: Current gear reqs: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=12791 Ok, 10 sets of P2P gear to return in worth 200k? Excessive. I'm one of WG's lowest levels and I die once, maybe twice per raid. We have ONE reoccuring raid a week, in which I usually get 1-2 kills which are half a mil plus. We rarely do wars or PKRIs, and even then we're not going to be out for hours. I say half that requirement. 5 sets is still over a mil worth of the minimum gear and should suffice. 300+ Rocktail/50+ Saradomin brews. Excessive. You're asking for over a mil in food. Rocktail are good, but I save them for wars/PKRIs. I use around 10 rocktail and 10 brews per invent, so you have 30 inventories for wars/PKRIs. That's what, half a year's stock? Cut that down to 100 rocktail, and accept Sharks for raids. They work just as well without the over-hp bonus. You don't really need that quality on a raid because if you're sharkbrewing you're upped in def anyway. The brews are fine at 50. 30 Pure sets - Half it. If you have 25 super restores, you're not going to need pure sets, so save them for wars/PKRIs. 10-15 is easily enough. The rest I agree with. I make my p pots myself. From 100 to 110 combat at bandits I made over 2m worth of p pots (4) collecting ranarr drops so price isn't too big an issue. Restores are VERY expensive but worth the investment. F2P Gear now. 300 anchovy pizzas? Make that 100. You're asking for half a mil in F2P food when we RARELY do anything F2P these days. 100 pizzas is 5 inventories, or more if you combo with swordfish like I do which would last 2-3 months in WG at this rate. 10 Rune sets? WE DON'T F2P. Don't get me wrong, I love F2P but if the sets are just sat there gathering dust, half the requirement. 5 rune sets will last ages in WG now. 30 strength potions... they're so cheap I couldn't care less. Final note - ABOLISH THE MONTHLY GEAR CHECKS. We should be able to trust our members to support themselves in WG, not hang over them like parents forcing children to get their planners signed after school or detention. After spending enough time in WG, members will get their own general idea of what they're going to need to survive, and can work to get it themselves. They don't need us controlling their banks. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 04:59 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | When it comes to gear and the current required gear, while I would love for everyone to have the standard gear, we don't use it like we used to, or even as much as we want to. Make it 3 sets of P2P and F2P each for graduation. Get the new recruits into WG so that we can grow. Making it a hard entry isn't going to improve our recruitment. --------------------      | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 06:14 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zemus Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2786 Member No.: 128 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 275 | yeah id say 5 sets is plenty for requirements, we have the highest gear requirements out of any mid sized clan as it is, and do we really need all that? --------------------  24th to 2496 Overall ~ 29th to 120 Dungeoneering ~ Guardian since November 2007 ~ - I now play WoW lols - Server: US Jubei'Thos Faction: Horde 85 Blood-Elf Paladin 85 Troll Hunter | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 07:28 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Mmmmm ok that's a fair point and I agree with you. Ok i'll work it out with the other staff, to decide exactly what to reduce it to. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 11:14 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sgtswordfish Group: Guest Posts: 1737 Member No.: 1758 Joined: March 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 64 | although i highly agree with the idea of the fact that we don't use the wg req gear. right now isn't the time to lower standards. especially with gear that took time and effort to design for the sole purpose to succeed. if you will lower the req make sure not to sacrifice the basic idea that we are to succeed otherwise we have failed. if i may make a suggestion..... while you work on giving them gp in order to meet the wg equipment requirements. you may also want to guarantee that they have money to make up for losses of the equipment. you can do this via The Grand exchange the grand exchange has a 9.3% daily profit margin that has little to no risk of loss. if you apply this to an account starting with 1m and you invest the 1m once a day over a period of 30 days. that's almost 15million test: day 1: 1,093,000 *gratz: you're officially a merchanter* day 2: 1,194,649 day 3: 1,305,751.36 *mmm...this is slow* day 4: 1,427,186.23 day 5: 1,559,914.55 day 6: 1,704,986.61 *snooze* day 7: 1,863,550.36 day 8: 2,036,860.54 *doubled ur cash* day 9: 2,226,288.57 day 10: 2,433,333.41 **1/3 the way there: noob* day 11: 2,659,633.42 day 12: 2,906,979.33 day 13: 3,177,328.41 *TRIPLE PLAY* 5 days later day 14: 3,472,819.95 day 15: 3,795,792.20 day 16: 4,148,800.88 *and they say third time the charm: 3 days later* =P day 17: 4,534,639.36 day 18: 4,956,360.82 day 19: 5,417,302.37 *what are you smoking?  days later*day 20: 5,921,111.50 **2/3 of the way there: CHOOB** day 21: 6,471,774.86 *6x...it's the end!* day 22: 7,073,649.93 *half a million in a day profit margin ATTAINED* day 23: 7,731,499.37 day 24: 8,450,528.81 *ok...: 2 days later* day 25: 9,236,427.99 *^ WOOT* day 26: 10,095,415.79 *10m goal attained* day 27: 11,034,289.46 *are you noticing a trend?* day 28: 12,060,478.38 *the difference between day 27 and 28 is...* day 29: 13,182,102.87 *WOOHOO: 1m a day profits (love the irony)* day 30: 14,408,038.44 *gratz. you're on the fast-track to richest* ok fine. it's not 15m but still. it's amazing what 15 minutes a day can do. once that's achieved.the money will be used solely for the investments. everything made after 30 days is pure profit that the player can 1. re-invest 2. use 3. buy wg gear if needed. after day 30...it depends on the person merchanting. i can speculate that a weekly profit of 3m-5m can be achieved weekly using the safe methods. but to tell you the truth. i am the only merchanter that has such a low risk tolerance that by day 30 u can do much more. *disclaimer* merchanting isn't for everyone. thus if you can't afford to lose gp i don't reccomend it. i do reccomend though to consider your current situation and give up 1% of your income to learning merchanting until you feel comfortable with the idea. =D on a personal note: you can't believe how many times i've wished i didn't learn merchanting because on an emotional note i never expected it to be a negative influence on this group. like the saying goes:
in any case. that's life =D --------------------  Goals 2011  | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 11:56 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Anyone care to test this over a 30 day period then? Granting that fish will be providing help in IRC. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 03:41 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dallar Group: Event Leader Posts: 1899 Member No.: 1957 Joined: July 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 137 | I'd like to try this as long as somebody will help me.. --------------------  Click me if you need cheering up - I guarantee happiness will blossom | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 04:45 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | I agree with David that the amount of required gear should be reduced. Hopefully the staff comes out with something that is less expensive but still respectable. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 05:34 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Mark, the fact is that with our current raiding schedule we just don't need 10 sets a week and it's scaring people away. IF WE DO LOWER THE REQS, people will NEED TO RESTOCK QUICKER, i hope you all realise that.... but then again many people will have like 10 x the gear req anyway (rich nubs). -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 05:54 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rodney75 Group: Council Posts: 1683 Member No.: 2109 Joined: October 29, 2009 Total Events Attended: 154 |
Regretfully, I agree. And when people restock for the 2nd time in a month or something, they will be all "OMGHZ" and shiz  --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 06:12 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | As such, I will only consider and agree to this gear reduction if members + staff alike agree to restock more than they have in the past, to meet this new req... otherwise it won't work, and we'll soon have to raise the reqs again to old levels. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 06:47 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Dallar Group: Event Leader Posts: 1899 Member No.: 1957 Joined: July 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 137 | It deserves a post in the IA if you choose do reduce -------------------- Click me if you need cheering up - I guarantee happiness will blossom | ||||
Posted: May 6, 2010 08:43 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Garrett_xD Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1316 Member No.: 2159 Joined: November 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 132 | WG Keanu: Final note - ABOLISH THE MONTHLY GEAR CHECKS. We should be able to trust our members to support themselves in WG, not hang over them like parents forcing children to get their planners signed after school or detention. After spending enough time in WG, members will get their own general idea of what they're going to need to survive, and can work to get it themselves. They don't need us controlling their banks. We do trust the members, but nearly half the people in wg dont respond to the monthly gear checks. That either means they are inactive/cba'd/cant afford -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 7, 2010 12:09 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
Hey Sgt of Swordfish dude.^ -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 7, 2010 12:11 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 |
Print screen>Save>Upload>Post Screenie=Too hard? Takes about 1 minute of time. Don't mean to rag on anyone but ya' shouldn't really be a whole debate on this? It's just inactivity. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 7, 2010 12:32 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
It'd take less time for every member to pm the council with our RSNs, passwords and bank pins so that they could fully control our accounts. There's a reason why we don't do that. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||
Posted: May 7, 2010 01:56 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | I am glad that the gear requirements are being lowered. I would no be adverse to helping members with LOWER skill levels obtain the necessary gear once they are proven members. In other words, I would just give them items that can be skilled like cooked rock tails provided they are likely to stay and do not have the skill levels to easily make the gp to meet requirements. -------------------- | ||||
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