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Posted: August 1, 2010 05:24 am  | |||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216    | It's just the same old people constantly going to raids/wars. All the time. We have a memberlist of 60 ish now, yet we get the same old 10-20 people going to raids. Bring back minimum raids/war attendance. Basically, you have to attend like 40% (For examples sake) of raids/wars unless you have a good reason. This may trim up the memberlist which we don't like, but i personally would prefer to pull 20/40 consistently rather than 25/60 every now and then. Discuss. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||||
Posted: August 1, 2010 05:30 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | totesmagoats? --------------------   | ||||||||||
Posted: August 1, 2010 05:32 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Instead of a blanket rule, individual consultation works better. If it's the same people going to raids, identify those who aren't going, and speak to them about improving their attendance, or else leaving. --------------------  | ||||||||||
Posted: August 1, 2010 05:49 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
k ill keep a raid/war attendance for the next 2 weeks of raids/wars -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||||
Posted: August 1, 2010 09:30 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 |
That would be very helpful. Thanks Jayson. --------------------    | ||||||||||
Posted: August 1, 2010 09:41 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jouke[WG] Group: Ex-Member Posts: 153 Member No.: 2326 Joined: July 24, 2010 Total Events Attended: 16 | Every clan has a core of up to 80% of the members, the core are the most active members that attend a lot of events and are very community involved. Seeing as WG doesn't have inactivity strikes or anything similar, and doesn't often host mandatory events, you can't expect the core to be very big (percentage wise). It's more about the way the clan is run than the individual member and in WG's case I think the choice was made that the clan's community was more important than the activity in game, which is good, in my opinion, but that does result in a smaller core. --------------------  | ||||||||||
Posted: August 1, 2010 10:12 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: SupremoPete Group: Ex-Member Posts: 173 Member No.: 2311 Joined: July 3, 2010 Total Events Attended: 42 | I usually only really attend 1 a week since I suck at PKing and die a lot. It all depends on the timezones of the raids as well to what people will attend. For me I won't be attending Aussie raids as they are 10AM on a Sunday for me and I after I log on and do my farming, I need to have breakfast and stuff so i cant commit to sit at the computer for those hours --------------------  | ||||||||||
Posted: August 1, 2010 10:34 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rodney75 Group: Council Posts: 1683 Member No.: 2109 Joined: October 29, 2009 Total Events Attended: 154 | We have inactivity sweeps and mandatory events lol =p --------------------  | ||||||||||
Posted: August 1, 2010 11:04 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Jouke[WG] Group: Ex-Member Posts: 153 Member No.: 2326 Joined: July 24, 2010 Total Events Attended: 16 | Oh, I had a talk with a member and he said you didn't so it was confusing  -------------------- | ||||||||||
Posted: August 1, 2010 08:51 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Jouke (hi btw - haven't had a chance to welcome you personally, since your app was accepted... and i'm away for the next 3 weeks..) Um anyway. Just to clear up a few things: All our raids/wars are mandatory sign ups and mandatory to attend if you are online. We also have other mandatory events obviously, but it depends on the event etc. We don't enjoy doing inactivity sweeps, but they are necessary from time to time. At one time they were done monthly, but now it's usually once every two months and we kick only those who are REALLY inactive. If in doubt, we usually give members the benefit of the doubt in regards to activity levels. ~George -------------------- | ||||||||||
Posted: August 7, 2010 07:47 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Zooby Group: Guest Posts: 1669 Member No.: 1464 Joined: November 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 109 | The whole raid attendance is a good idea, this is a warring clan and a lot of members join for the raids/wars, i know i did, yet they don't attend raids/wars. The attendance list will help boost activity because no one wants to have 0% attendance. -------------------- A Revolution without dance is a Revolution not worth having at all Lightbulbs die my sweet, I will depart | ||||||||||
Posted: August 7, 2010 08:13 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mark`` Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2190 Member No.: 2320 Joined: July 15, 2010 Total Events Attended: 208 | I most certainly joined for raids and wars, and for the fact that there are people from the southern hemisphere -.-, but i believe a few people here make very good points. As for me, i humbly believe that i am part of this "core" of members. And I enjoy it. If you joined a clan for the community, why not get involved in the community? If you think that you die alot and arent very good at pking. I can post the most welfare setup ever that actually helps quite alot. Im sure a few people have seen this being used by Light Sabre/Orthux at past WS/SG raids. Attendance on raids/wars over the coming weeks to me sounds like a good idea. -------------------- Be sure to check out the Community Events Forum!   | ||||||||||
Posted: August 8, 2010 11:06 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: markenzie1 Group: Emeritus Posts: 790 Member No.: 2004 Joined: August 9, 2009 Total Events Attended: 180 |
i think it more about enjoying raiding really. some ppl just don't like to raid and since we have a raid and a community part it won't change. and to be even more honest, i like it this way=) --------------------   | ||||||||||
Posted: August 9, 2010 04:09 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
actually all raids/wars are mandatory if you are online, unlike normal events -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||||
Posted: August 9, 2010 05:51 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
Unless you're at corp or gwd --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||||||||
Posted: August 9, 2010 07:13 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
Do you think for once you could forget trying to get your post count up and post something constructive? If not, don't post, it's just annoying and a waste of everyone's time. -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||||
Posted: August 9, 2010 08:43 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
Right. *Inhales* There are two ways to handle attendance: persuasion, and force. Right now on raids, we're inexperienced, we're disorganised, and it's putting people off (Hence Gene's rant). "Mass up for raid!" on IRC translates to "Mass up to be cleared by Jaja!". Raids should be fun and enjoyable, not expensive and hectic. The force option is to implicate mandatory attendance or so. If you miss however many raids or wars, BAN. And yes, it works, but for the sake of our community aspect I wouldn't support imposing such regulations. Not at this stage anyway. We've just had a membership explosion, and to start slashing at our numbers is counterproductive. So we need to train these people, old and new. And not just in the literal sense - we need to get them prepared, experienced, and ready for anything. When we're out, occasionally just call a death dot, or get us to spread for a bit then call a fall-in to increase our speed and reaction time. If we get into a run-in, take note of the members who aren't spamming or on the right pile, and consult them about it individually. Implicate a rewards system. Members who are doing noticeably well with things get extra 76ks after the raids. And we'll need a sense of discipline as well - members not following orders is a violation of the chain of command, which warrants warn levels. By doing this, our members raid better, we die less, get more kills, start dominating, and we refresh the impression of a raid. We go from "Mass up to be cleared by Jaja" to "Mass up to clear Jaja and every other motherfucker out there for free loot", and then people will start WANTING to come to raids. Forcing uneducated, inexperienced members out into the wild under fear of expulsion does nothing for us. If we hit the persuasive element, and actually work it, things'll turn upright on their own. *Exhales* Constructive post made. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||||||||
Posted: August 9, 2010 10:43 pm | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DestroyerDmc Group: Guardian Posts: 498 Member No.: 2317 Joined: July 13, 2010 Total Events Attended: 31 | hmmm this is a good suggestion but lordys input may just like help out with people who simply cant make some of the raids --------------------   | ||||||||||
Posted: August 9, 2010 11:22 pm | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
obviously we wouldn't just kick out someone who cant make the requirement. i.e, australians. Most short prep stuff is impossible for us to attend since we are sleeping while they are made/run. Also for australians, anything on a sunday night, is monday morning for us, which clashes with school/uni/work. so people will be spoken to, but if their response isn't ideal i.e, "I went to bed early, I hanged out with some friends" then they are not showing detication to the clan, and if repeated, they shouldn't be here. -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||||
Posted: August 14, 2010 02:05 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | OK, I'll post it now. since there are no sceduled raids/wars before the australian raid. This is attendance since the August 1st Australian Raid (Including that raid attendance) Only raids with 3 days prep were counted and the 2 wars were counted (SWA and LND) Red - Did not attend any Raids/Wars Green - Attended at least one war, three Raids/Wars all up
17 People in Red, 12 in Green. Funny enough, 5 of the people in green were Australians. -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||||
Posted: August 14, 2010 02:08 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Uma Group: Ex-Member Posts: 36 Member No.: 2231 Joined: February 7, 2010 Total Events Attended: 16 | i posted on every raid/war i was available, i work evenings all days besides monday/tuesday, and yes, i will place irl activities over clan activities so i will not always be available on those days. school has started and i have a VERY busy schedule now. --------------------  | ||||||||||
Posted: August 14, 2010 02:12 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 |
Post inactivity bro \(o.o)/ -------------------- This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||||
Posted: August 14, 2010 02:20 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: zero boards9 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 54 Member No.: 2335 Joined: July 30, 2010 Total Events Attended: 18 | since my time here at wg, which has only been 15 days, i have missed like 1 raid, and 1 ts meeting, and i have made almost every single non raid/war event. to not come to these raids shows that you dont have a committment i think, yea sometimes to make it you do have to stay up a little later, or mabe miss out on skating with your friends, or mabe even miss your favorite tv show, but all in all people joined this clan to be a part of the community, and if you cant make the events, not even 3 of them in 2 weeks, there really isn't an excuse, i know im new, and i might not have the right to speak out like this, and i really mean nothing by it, but i am a person that if i commit to something, (such as a clan) i am committed to that thing and that thing alone as far as on rs, if i am busy with questing, or skilling, or training, and i look down in the irc and i see "MASS W27 BH NOW FOR RAID" i stop what im doing and mass for the raid, because the clan needs me and i love being a part of that, and i would personaly love to see 25-30 people at every raid, then we wouldn't get cleared by welf or rot or such, if everyone came to the raids that could make it, and not just the ones that want to, then i think we would be much more powerful, again i dont mean anything by this post, it is just my opinion. ~zero~ -------------------- | ||||||||||
Posted: August 14, 2010 02:23 am | |||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Outlaw Group: Emeritus Posts: 558 Member No.: 2055 Joined: September 12, 2009 Total Events Attended: 95 | Woah woah woah, that's not right. I've been to many raids lately. You can't judge that correctly. --------------------  Join date : June 2006 Left : March 2007 Rejoined : October 2009 Original DG Member Completed Goals : 99 Cooking, 99 Fishing, 99 Strength, 99 Attack, 99 Constitution, 99 Defence, 99 Ranged  | ||||||||||
Posted: August 14, 2010 02:27 am | |||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: zero boards9 Group: Clan Friend Posts: 54 Member No.: 2335 Joined: July 30, 2010 Total Events Attended: 18 | again, i meant nothing by it i was just saying that you should be able to make at least 1 raid/war in 2 weeks, and if your able to be on at all you shouldn't miss a war at all, unless you have like work or its a time when you would be asleep, but like the aussie raids, i stay up till 3 am my time to go to them, but thats just me its a weekend and nothing to do so why not just do it wg needs the numbers anyways -------------------- | ||||||||||
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