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Posted: April 19, 2008 08:56 pm  | |||||
    IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1    | Well, judging from today's performance in the war against Lpt, I was right in saying that we have a lot of room for improvement. I think it's obvious to people that our organization in a full out is not so great. Also, judging from today's turnout and what I've heard about the turnouts of the previous wars, we need to do an activity check. 46 people out of 98 members isn't gonna help improve the clan, much less allow us to hold our spot with all of those power hungry clans that are on the rise now a days. We have problems with our anti snipe system, pile switching, and basically everything that has to do with being successful in wars. To improve upon these things, I suggest doing this. First, you establish a group of about 15 people who have ts and whom you know you can depend on to show up and perform in the war. Elites so to speak. This core group will focus on anti snipe, koing binders, and sniping. This allows the rest of the clan to focus on just sticking to one main pile and ignoring the enemy snipers, etc. How will these 15 people have a major impact during the war? How will they get ko's? Simple. People who are in robes, tend to be hit easily. All we have to do is coordinate our force of "Elites", to work as one. That means we have a separate section of the ts to use. We basically move as one independent unit. Either sticking to the main pile and just keeping snipers off, or using hit or miss tactics, the 15 or so players fi on the leader of these elites so they can hit a binder as one, hoping to ko him before he can put on armor within the first 5 or so hits. If it fails, the 15 will rejoin the main pile and wait for another chance to ko some peeps. You're bound to get some ko's as long as people continue binding on the other side. Within this group, you have 2 to 3 spotters. Their job is to single out the binders from the enemy pile and point them out through the ts. They will then go in to test the awareness of these binders by sniping them for several hits the falling back to the main pile. Based upon which one reacted the slowest, the leader will designate that player for a target and tell the person on our team being piled, to bring the enemy into sight so that the Elite group can get a bead on him. They will then swiftly fall in on the leader and all right click the target, the leader will then bring them a little closer towards the enemy, hoping that the person who is being piled can tank for a longer period of time, make sure that everyone has the guy right clicked, then attack. If the binder is not downed before he can get his rune and prayer on and eat back to above half health, the group will proceed to return to the main pile. Repeat this throughout the war until the binders are either eliminated, or too wary to get ko'd (then you revert to the typical sniping methods), or until we have a significant lead. I saw that more than a few of our members had trouble not getting ko'd, many of these were binders. To practice the robe switching, you can either go by yourself to clan wars world 17, or we can do this as a clan event with our allies (or without) to give us a more realistic feel of large numbers of people pile switching. Basically, everyone will pose as a binder, bring robes etc. We run a test on you. Binders go 3 to 5 at a time up against the clan+allies. We simulate you binding a target who will be picked from the rest of the clan and will run around like he is tanking, you won't know when the clan will come to attack, or who we will attack. We can run a tank practice at the same time with 3 more targets who will focus on tanking against the entire clan+allies. The clan will pile one of these targets, ignoring the 3-5 binders until that target is killed. They will fall in and single out one binder to pile. The binder passes if he manages to put on his prayer and rune, and run around a barrier without getting ko'd. Those who fail in doing that should know what they have to work on and where they can improve their abilities. Same goes for the people who are tanking and are unable to last until they eat all of their food. This type of practice, though it can help a bit with organization, is mainly for improving the individual pieces of the clan, and their ability to bind/tank and switch from robes to rune. Organization as an entire clan, which I'm sure all of you are well aware of, can only truly be improved upon through actual fighting. We should work on this through practicing pile switching and calling fall ins with regular sniping in practice wars with either our allies, or other clans. Start out calling a pile like always. Get a ko, switch to the leader and let the Elite send out the designated snipers. They will inform the leader of the main body on who they have sniped the most efficiently. If they main target is still tanking, fall off of him and call a fi, don't worry about leaving him alive. The snipers will break off and tell you the location of the target. Clan, falled in, walks to the area near the target and call a pile on the target, hoping for a ko. Doesn't matter if you win the fight. The main thing would be to focus on listening to directions, how fast the clan responds to the commands, etc etc. We can piece things together to achieve victories later. That's some of what I've done before in the past that's worked rather well. Albeit, it was in the wilderness and not clan wars, but the principles should be the same. You can alter stuff however you want, that's basically the gist of it. Works like a football team, there are pieces that have their own thing to take care of, takes a lot of trust and coordination as well as organization. But you guys are more than capable of it. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: April 19, 2008 09:17 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Flippie||Afk Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1708 Member No.: 55 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | that does sounds good! great suggestion, but i think you need a bigger 'elite' group, because they wont attending all wars. secondly, i really wanna try this, and we can get this to work. even if we loss and we did great on pile swithing etc, the war could still be called a succes. -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/ZitherBand Support my Friends!  | ||||
Posted: April 19, 2008 09:35 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 | Agree with you 100% I wanted to try anti snipe unit, but DZ nor Zach was there, who are our warlords. I seriously hope our council looks into this suggestion and practice it, its gonna save us many wars. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: April 19, 2008 10:50 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: So Group: Guest Posts: 606 Member No.: 36 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 2 | Yeah , Sniping and Teamspeak always help  You get the people with 90+ or 95+ range bring bow , dhide top and arrows and snipe any1 they see in robes , all on the same guy preferably. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: April 19, 2008 11:21 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 | When I say sniping, I'm talking about anyone who gets off of the main pile to attack select individuals in the other clan. They don't necessarily have to be rangers. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: April 20, 2008 01:32 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: karel Group: Emeritus Posts: 1021 Member No.: 57 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 89 | I came up with a anti-snipe unit idea some time ago tbh -------------------- Sig? | ||||
Posted: April 20, 2008 09:17 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Flippie||Afk Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1708 Member No.: 55 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 |
then work it out! and bring it into WG  -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/ZitherBand Support my Friends! | ||||
Posted: April 20, 2008 11:22 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: General199 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1073 Member No.: 318 Joined: March 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | You don't need an anti snipe unit. Your main pile is anti snipe. 1) The main pile has their target.2) Some snipers are around targeting your binders.3) Whoever is leading the fall ins at this moment will say in teamspeak will say to turn around and hit so and so. 4) Then who is leading says to get back on main target.5) No he says to hit the other sniper named so and so. This is what most clans will do. Binders have to typically fend for themselves but if the fall in leader does it right they can even ko a few snipers. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: April 20, 2008 11:51 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Me9 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 459 Member No.: 59 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 51 | WG just needs to put stuff into practice tbh, stuff like these have been mentioned countless of times - not to discount your suggestion tho'. It's good to see new members taking initiative to try improve the clan and show their concern. --------------------   -The End- | ||||
Posted: April 20, 2008 12:00 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: So Group: Guest Posts: 606 Member No.: 36 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 2 |
Yeah , but rangers can do a lot of damage (specially if they have robes) from a distance. If you're melee sniping it takes a while to get to the person who's binding. Also , they can quickly pile switch and attack you. Ranging is much more effective at sniping and scaring their binders as you can hit them as soon as they put their robes on. Range is a lot more accurate too. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: April 20, 2008 01:42 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kero2|bryan Group: Guest Posts: 1302 Member No.: 91 Joined: January 2, 2008 Total Events Attended: 26 | tbh we learn nothing from pure suggestions and talk we have to back it up and try it out on ourselves and other clans. If we keep trying the same thing over and over and we keep losing then you know its not working. What you said is neither good or bad considering i havent seen it in action in WGs perspective but until i see that then i wont judge. Iv seen it used with diferent clans and its good. We just needa have a practise to try suggestions instead of just naming things here and there -------------------- Best pure f2p Guardian  Post here http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...owtopic=20&st=0   | ||||
Posted: April 20, 2008 04:15 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 |
Yeah, but the thing is, the majority of RAW wars will be melee only, so we should practice for that. And trust me, it is far more effective to have a select group be the anti snipe while the rest of the clan just focuses on one target. It prevents confusion, people getting loss on who to attack, etc etc. And yeah, the main problem has always been whether or not people actually make use of the suggestions in some way, shape, or form. Again, that's up to the activity of the leaders. -------------------- | ||||
Suggestion for War Improvement, I've used this before