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 EDIT: Council Demotions?
Posted: November 2, 2010 01:14 pmTop
   
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The post quoted below was the original topic.
There's been some changes since it was made.
Justin is retaining his rank.
I've spoken to him.
What was specifically said is really too deep to share.

Turns out I've pissed off the council without knowing it.
We had a pretty intense conversation and I'm working on my problems with the council.
I HATE seeing that I'm wrong, but I clearly must be if I set so many people against me.
So I'm in the process of discovering myself and my relationship with the other leaders.

Justin and I agree to opening up more communication.
It was a breakdown of communication in the first place that caused so much trouble.
I believe him when he says he was not ignoring me.
While he's been inactive, let's remember that his inactivity streaks ends after Thursday when exams finish.

As for Vephy, I still don't know, but if I'm to blame for his leaving, I have to at least try to work it out.

To any members I have hurt without knowing, please come forward in private so that I may listen.

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Today we lost two council members: Vephyrus and Justin
The clan deserves to know why. Each will be explained below.

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VEPHYRUS

You may have noticed that Vephy has a banned rank.
A few weeks ago, he posted his two weeks notice.
After that, it was changed to an inactivity topic.

Vephy went on a break to recover after being so overloaded with council duties.
He was being abused by clan members as most council are.
Following the war with KO, two debates arose over WG needing to improve.
One in the KO recap, and one in Level 2.
In level two, Vephy became particularly frustrated and irrational.
All we have as a record of him quitting is this:
       
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Know what bye. Here is my two week notice.

Following this, he banned himself.

At the moment we don't know what his final rank would be.
Considering his high profile in WG and long service, I'd like to give him ex-member.
However, he did walk out on his two weeks notice, and he gave up on the clan too easily.
Abandoning WG from a leadership position and ignoring the two weeks notice is what Mugger did, and the appropriate rank is banned.
Right now, Vephy has a small window to take back his actions.
A few hours to take back council, and post a formal two week notice to ride out.
After a few hours, it will no longer be a "Heat of the moment" thing which I can forgive.
It will be full-blown abandonment. I hope he changes his mind.
He made it clear he won't be returning to WG.
However, he deserves a dignified end.


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WG JUSTIN

Justin did not quit like Vephy. I had to painfully demote him.
This occurrence requires less explanation.
Over the last few months, Justin had not been completing any council duties.
As warlord he had not organised wars and became increasingly unhappy with me.

Two weeks ago he posted two weeks notice, which he withdrew in private with me.
In the end though, he completely ignored me:
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(15:13:50) <Lordy|AFK> have you decided to leave wg?
(15:22:34) <Lordy|AFK> Fucking hell Justin, ignoring me won't solve anything.
(15:29:05) <Lordy|AFK> 15 minutes later and i'm still waiting while i see you talking to everyone else
(15:29:55) <Lordy|AFK> well, don't go calling anyone immature in the future. i've had enough
(15:31:56) <Lordy|AFK> well, you've got 5 minutes before i assume you're just not prepared to discuss the future with me
(15:48:10) <Lordy|AFK> You didn't even have the strength of character to resign. You just decided to piss away your final days and wait for me to demote you.

It is vital that the council communicates with me.
This case is not isolated.
There was a time when I asked him to update sign-ups four times in one day, and he ignored it.
As he will not communicate and will not work, he is no longer fit to lead.
This loss hurts me more than you can imagine.
I've known him for 6 years and now he's chosen this as his way out.
He's not told me why he no longer respects me, but I have a hunch.
That information will be kept private unless he decides to share.

As a final act of friendship, he has Elite Member rank.
I don't know whether he plans to keep it.


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I'm sorry to deliver bad news, but it's better that you know.
Rachel is particularly upset over losing Vephy, and I over Justin.
But we've spoken, and decided to hold off elections at least for two weeks.
We are capable of holding the clan together until then.

Rachel has said to me that we think early elections may cause even more drama than no elections.
I'm fine with this. Many clans run off one or two leaders.
In the past I've run WG alone, but I have Rachel to support me.
Together we have what it takes to keep WG going strong.

 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 01:18 pmTop
   
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Can't say it doesn't hurt having this happen. But it all depends on what happens afterwards which will define WG as a clan.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 01:21 pmTop
   


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Lost for words. The general member, like myself, do not see/hear of any of this drama. I'm shocked, upset and confused. Not happy with the way these have occured at all. I'm sorry - yet don't know who i'm apologising to. I guess everyone involved.

On a side not, I agree strongly to hold off elections...
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 01:22 pmTop
   
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I'm to sad to respond at the moment. Sorry.
 
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is the day you have stopped leading them.
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Posted: November 2, 2010 01:49 pmTop
   
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wow kinda surprised by what has happened here. If you need any help with anything let me know and I'll see what I can do
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 02:58 pmTop
   
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There has been an update to the situation.
Please read the updated first post.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 03:08 pmTop
   
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I think holding off elections for 2 weeks was the best thing that could be done at this moment in time.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 03:12 pmTop
   
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It's rather tragic to see that V left without his 2 weeks notice...
He was a great councilman and should be respected regardless if what happens.

As for Justin, from what I've seen he's been a bit stressed with how things are so I don't really blame him, but I'm glad things have worked out properly...

If anyone needs to talk, I'm here.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 03:36 pmTop
   
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You've really matured over the years Lordy... I have to give you props.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 05:15 pmTop
   
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Huh.
Ohhh why can't the WG leadership ever live in harmony!
As soon as I step down and stop causing drama, other things escalate sad.gif

Such a shame about Vephy.... he really is a true leader....

Glad to hear that Justin is retaining his rank, as long as he puts in the hours, which I hope he will.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 05:52 pmTop
   


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I'm shocked.
That's all i have to say
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 06:01 pmTop
   
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wow =[[[[[[
this totally ruined my morning im all sad now.
sucks to lose 2 very good council
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 06:12 pmTop
   
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This is weird, I don't see why Vephy actually left, the actual reasoning behind it. Kind of unclear to me, but all the same this is a shock.

Very sad day.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 06:44 pmTop
   
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Thank you for admitting you were wrong.
As for council events, well its all happened before, nobody should be shaken up. Although we are all shocked and some are mournful, move on and hope for the best.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 08:31 pmTop
   
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All good things have an end.

I hope things work themselves out and all of the drama settles.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 09:41 pmTop
   


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Do what you need to do.
I have a feeling big changes are approaching... and I'm partially optimistic.

WG for life.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 09:48 pmTop
   
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Hmm, odd.
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 09:59 pmTop
   


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You never did respond to my last PM...
 
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Posted: November 2, 2010 11:22 pmTop
   
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it wont be runned by 2 leaders, 2 leaders and our staff.

hope you guys know you aren't lone because the members will try to help WG too
 
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Posted: November 3, 2010 02:22 amTop
   
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Was pretty shocked when Vephyrus left. Didn't want to see justin go. I'm glad both Eugene and Justin got over their different views in running the clan, after all even though Eugene is primary leader Justin as council is an equal leader in my eyes.

Hooray for progress.

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Posted: November 3, 2010 02:44 amTop
   
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Happy to see Justin staying, he is an awesome council member. I am glad Gene and Justin have settled some differences.
If Veph doesn't want to be here then he made the right choice.
Have faith in Gene he hasn't led us astray yet.
 
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Posted: November 3, 2010 02:53 amTop
   
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Yes, I have Jenny.
 
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Posted: November 3, 2010 03:43 amTop
   
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I'm completely.. I'm not quite sure. I just really hope everything is okay. It seemed to me like things weren't going well but I will not comment on any of that, I just ask that you keep me/us updated and I hope everything goes okay.
 
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Posted: November 3, 2010 11:29 pmTop
   
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No you haven't Gene, I have always had complete faith in you. You see beyond today, you know the direction you want to go and lead us there.
 
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Posted: November 4, 2010 12:08 amTop
   
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Tbh im with Jenny.
We've all got faith in you man or we wouldnt be here
 
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