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Posted: November 14, 2010 03:02 am  | |||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | Vephy has spoken to Rachel about how he is really really sad about leaving and knows he made a huge mistake, but the stress got to him so badly. The council unanimously wishes to see him return, but one thing is standing in our way. Our own rule. Banned rank is permanent. In order to get Vephy back, we have to break our own rule, but we don't want to lose your faith in the banning system. Therefore, we're putting it down to a poll. This poll decides what we do. If we unban him, he'd have an Elite Guardian rank. Council elections would go on as normal. AND, this would never happen again, even for me. This rule has to be unbreakable. It is to protect us from harming the clan. Enforcing the rules is what helps keep the clan strong. The rules are made to keep WG prosperous, but sometimes they work against us. --------------------  | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 03:11 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Zooby Group: Guest Posts: 1669 Member No.: 1464 Joined: November 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 109 | Unban. He's too good of a member to lose over something so stupid. -------------------- A Revolution without dance is a Revolution not worth having at all Lightbulbs die my sweet, I will depart | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 03:12 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Theboy126 Group: Higher Guardian Posts: 341 Member No.: 2352 Joined: August 17, 2010 Total Events Attended: 118 | I mean - what if he does it again?.. I know he goes as an Elite Guardian, but what if he try's out for Council again? And manege's to get it. But personally, I think he should just stay as EG, I don't care who knows my vote - I'm putting yes. Also, yeh start him as trail guardian with a mentor and see how it goes. Even though it might be weird for him - he has to deal with it. -Joey --------------------  | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 03:16 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kcross|RDC Group: Banned Posts: 2535 Member No.: 1723 Joined: February 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 202 | Yes, but I would like to see a formal explanation/apology posted by Vephy from his perspective. -------------------- Kcross73 – KevCross – Kevin Proud Trial Guardian: December 24, 2009 – January 10, 2010 Proud Guardian: January 10, 2010 – February 13, 2010 Proud Event Leader: February 13, 2010 – November 27, 2010 Proud Council: November 27, 2010 – July 5, 2011 | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 03:21 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kung_man149 Group: Higher Guardian Posts: 1054 Member No.: 2111 Joined: October 30, 2009 Total Events Attended: 79 | I would start him off as a trail again, just to see if he'd truly dedicated to WG and also for fairness towards the other members. My vote is a yes, he's a great guy and a good friend. -------------------- Taken❒ Single❒ Mad✔ <+Mark``> i think the brothers GF is going into labour <+Mark``> I WANNA WATCH YU-GI-OH   | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 03:29 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
I vote yes, ON THIS CONDITION. Veph is a great friend and all, and I know that Council takes its toll. I just don't agree with anyone going from straight from banned to Elite Guardian. Taking into consideration the manner of his leaving, as well as what else he has done for the better, I think that a re-start from application stage is a suitable solution if the rules are to be broken. That's the condition of my vote. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 03:49 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Garrett_xD Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1316 Member No.: 2159 Joined: November 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 132 | OMGOD YES PLEASE, I NEED VEPHY, HES WGS DINOSAUR, WE NEED HIM yaaaayyyy i knew vephy couldnt just leave us like that. --------------------  | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 04:32 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | voted no. I hope its a unanimous decision that if he does come back that he cant be given a council position again --------------------  | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 04:47 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | There should be harsher punishments than just removing his council position. I know for sure that I warned him on stressing out over the position, plus he was warned when he applied for council. He had chances already to take back his actions within 24 hours of them. A week later (I am estimating off the top of my head) is a bit too late to return without some type of punishment. It is not like it is a last chance type thing where he should be on 80% warn, because we know he is a great member. As much as I liked him being council and all, I don't think he should be one again. Making him start back over at trial is a punishment that will make him work back through the ranks, which just takes time. Making it where he cannot be council or staff is a punishment that lasts forever, just like banning. I voted yes because he is an amazing member, however, if you want to at least keep within reach of rules, there have to be conditions other than just not returning as staff. If you want to completely disregard the rules, then have no reprimands other than him being elite. --------------------      | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 04:48 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 | Simply yes. --------------------  The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011        | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 04:54 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Nytemares4u Group: Ex-Member Posts: 316 Member No.: 2279 Joined: June 3, 2010 Total Events Attended: 19 | I really hope everyone agrees to let him back. Vephy is a great person, and even as a behind the scenes person like me can see it. I've read the basics of what happened and the whole I quit and all, but shouldn't he be given a chance to redeem himself?. We've seen a lot of crazy things come from the ranks recently. --------------------     | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 07:20 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Hitman Group: Ex-Member Posts: 126 Member No.: 774 Joined: June 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 15 | he didnt do anything wrong like scam or hack someone or doing something to cause the clan harm. let him back in! -------------------- | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 07:21 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Indivi2you Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 5361 Member No.: 43 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 623 | I understand that he must be feeling sincere. But I just hope he does not return with an attitude. -------------------- The First, The Last, and the Only ~FLO Never say never, because limits, like fears, are often just an illusion. ~Michael Jordan      | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 09:59 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam Group: Emeritus Posts: 1449 Member No.: 228 Joined: February 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 107 | vesphasaurus pl0x.  --------------------  "If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0" | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 10:50 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Armybuilder Group: Raid Leader Posts: 1468 Member No.: 2173 Joined: December 6, 2009 Total Events Attended: 227 | Yes. I miss vephy +( and tbh He's a good member --------------------     | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 12:19 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Bam Group: Emeritus Posts: 2762 Member No.: 131 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 111 | yes ofc. --------------------   | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 12:45 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Rodney75 Group: Council Posts: 1683 Member No.: 2109 Joined: October 29, 2009 Total Events Attended: 154 | I'm not loosing Nathan. Get him back please. I miss him, and it's obvious we do. There are exceptional cases, and this is definitely one! Everyone has their moments, and this was Veph's. We are only human afterall. The thing is: We learn from them. And i'm sure he has. (really rushed, as late for football - but this topic needed a reply asap! Hope the point gets across) --------------------  | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 03:32 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: ZurvivorMan Group: Emeritus Posts: 1098 Member No.: 1528 Joined: December 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 99 | Yes please! -------------------- You don't have to feel like a waste of space You're original, cannot be replaced If you only knew what the future holds After a hurricane comes a rainbow Maybe you're reason why all the doors are closed So you can open one that leads you to the perfect road  | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 03:39 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I'm personally against the inflexibility of our bans. I agree that some people should never be allowed to return (Such as Mugger and Dale), but at the same time its wrong to catagorize a person like Vephy with people like them. Just be careful when you use the word "Never" over something like this. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 04:01 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Timmehh Group: Guest Posts: 102 Member No.: 2386 Joined: September 6, 2010 Total Events Attended: 15 | Not sure what hit the fan but i liked vephy and he was dedicated to what he did, proving he is a good asset to the clan. Ofc with anything like this, not allowing him to be council or anything for a while. --------------------  | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 04:24 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | 22/09/2010 [22:05:11] < 04@His_Lordship > well, there goes YOUR rank vephy Future was predicted. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 04:32 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Of course you all know how I voted, but I truly am aware of how it can happen. For those that were in the IRC not to long ago and I said I felt like rage quitting. It can happen to any of. We sometimes let our own emotions take over instead of letting our brain think it all out to the end of more then the moment. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 05:46 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Slayz0rr Group: Emeritus Posts: 328 Member No.: 2212 Joined: January 12, 2010 Total Events Attended: 97 | Yes, That's all it needs. Vephyrus is a fucking amazing member along with being an amazing friend. He was there to help me and I'll always help him. After all he put into this clan and the imense idol of a member he was, I can't see why this poll is even necessary. What is going to happen, We all know it, It is inevitable. Luke, x -------------------- Always Going For GOLD  | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 06:05 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Fire Lion Sword Group: Emeritus Posts: 1189 Member No.: 103 Joined: January 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 3 | I've seen numerous times that Gene, especially, has been criticized for bending the rules. The complaints are a bit ridiculous, in my opinion... and this is essentially why; the rules are not bent for Gene's personal benefit as much as for the clan's sake, literally and/or ideologically. There should already be an understanding of the important, primary set of rules. Then, there are the more minor rules -- which are more flexible and liable to change; lenient. And that's often the case. I've seen members that were allowed to do or say things they couldn't under more strict circumstances, for the sake of good faith... and over time, it seemed like they grew to expect it as a right instead of a privilege. And when Gene or a council member finally told them to tone down, they threw a tantrum like they had been violated. Am I the only one that thinks that's retarded? Because it happens a lot... and there are always people crying about it. Anyway, in regards to the actual topic... Of course, I say let him back in. Unless he broke any important rules - which I'm not aware that he has - then I say bring him back with an appropriate rank -- which is not Trial Member or Council. If he has, then make him Trial Member. Whatever the case, I don't think he should be made council again unless he fights for it... fiercely. Or, the Council themselves really want him to be. As for public perception... screw them. Frankly, it's not their business. And that also goes for ex-members. -------------------- --------- 獅の炎 ----------  ----------- 忍☯者 ----------- | ||
Posted: November 14, 2010 06:24 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 |
My exact thoughts worded better then even I could lol. -------------------- The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011 | ||
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