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Posted: December 1, 2010 09:47 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: RobbieThe1st Group: Founder Posts: 770 Member No.: 2 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 49    | These past couple of days, I've started to realize how -nice- Linux is to have when problems arise. Take this example: My PC has a AMD Phenom II x4 3.2ghz processor, 4GB of DDR3-1600 ram, and a GeForce GTX 260 video card. A few days ago, I started experimenting with OCing my desktop. I got up to 3.8ghz stably with below-limit voltage, then backed off a bit. Yesterday, I got on the PC at my usual time. I booted it up, then left to get something. When I came back less than 5 minutes later, my PC had rebooted. I went into the bios, disabled my OCing and booted again. It booted, but a couple minutes later it crashed. I tried underclocking things just to be safe, but it still wouldn't boot - After this, it wouldn't even get to the login screen before locking up. After deciding I couldn't do anything with it right then, I grabbed a spare system that was lying around(Athlon x2 2.6ghz processor, 2GB ddr2-800 ram), pulled the motherboard/cpu/memory out of it and replaced my own with those. Now, to make matters more interesting, I have three SATA harddisks in a RAID-5 software raid configuration - If one drive dies, all my data is still there. Problem is, this new motherboard only had 2 SATA ports. I plugged the first two harddisks into those ports, and then plugged the third into a USB->SATA adapter, which then got plugged into a USB port. I installed my own video card and sound card, then put the case back together, plugged it in and crossed my fingers. IT BOOTED. Not only did it boot up first try, but all three harddisks were detected, accepted, and assembled into the raid. All my data is available, and at a decent speed too(though writes are slower due to the USB connection). All drivers were auto-loaded, no fuss no muss. Essentially, I took my harddisks and stuck them in a significantly different PC, plugged one harddisk in via USB, and it ran! Contrast this with Windows, where you can't even boot off a -single- USB drive, let alone get away with swapping the motherboard. And even if you got the motherboard accepted, Windows would make you download new drivers for everything, reactivate, etc. etc. I LOVE LINUX. -------------------- Old Avatar - Paypal donation link  I am left handed, and proud of it! Retired from RuneScape. Old forum posts: 2275(s4+s10+wg.com)+1759(z6 old account)+474(z6 new account) Total: 4508 Join date: 4/16/05 | Get Firefox 3.5 now: http://www.getfirefox.com | RobbieSwich for Firefox | ||||
Posted: December 1, 2010 11:33 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rodney75 Group: Council Posts: 1683 Member No.: 2109 Joined: October 29, 2009 Total Events Attended: 154 | Understand half of this - but well done  Glad it worked out --------------------  | ||||
Posted: December 2, 2010 04:59 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | So your motherboard is fried from OCing? Pretty much sucks. I really enjoy Linux, but I just can't get away from Windows. It is hard to break my habits. I might be upgrading up to 8GB of RAM, meaning I would have to also upgrade to x64 Win7, so if I do that, I might try to take the plunge into Linux again. --------------------      | ||||
Posted: December 2, 2010 05:03 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | Whereas me, I had to resort to System Restore to get rid of a virus. I hate Windows. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||||
Posted: December 2, 2010 07:53 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: RobbieThe1st Group: Founder Posts: 770 Member No.: 2 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 49 |
Yea, I'm thinking that... Though, I'm pretty sure my mobo(790fx-gd70) is -rated- for a certain level of OC, so... It turns out that what failed was the SATA controller - a disk in an ATA/IDE CD drive will boot fine. I've sent in a RMA request. It's worth a shot. In the meantime, my bodged-together setup'll have to do. edit: @Nick: Check your CPU specs when you do so. I've learned that using four sticks of ram puts some strain on your CPU's memory controller, and it may not be able to run them at as high speed as you can with two(running out of bandwidth, I think). Also, what could you possibly be running that'd -need- 8GB - I've got 4GB, and rarely get close to using that. -------------------- Old Avatar - Paypal donation link I am left handed, and proud of it! Retired from RuneScape. Old forum posts: 2275(s4+s10+wg.com)+1759(z6 old account)+474(z6 new account) Total: 4508 Join date: 4/16/05 | Get Firefox 3.5 now: http://www.getfirefox.com | RobbieSwich for Firefox | ||||
Posted: December 2, 2010 07:56 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sean^ Group: Clan Ally Posts: 151 Member No.: 2339 Joined: August 1, 2010 Total Events Attended: 2 | I took my hard drive (IDE) out of my 2004 Windows XP SP2 system not so long ago (Celeron 2.4ghz, 256mb RAM, SiS 650 integrated gfx), and plugged it into an entirely different system (don't know the specs as the PC wasn't mine, was >2GB RAM and had dedicated gfx though) and it booted perfectly fine. Of course, it moaned at me to activate within 7 days (the XP license was OEM, hence tied down to specific hardware), and the screen resolution and other things weren't optimal (due to lack of drivers), but it functioned perfectly well. --------------------   ~ Elite (Council) of The Sabre Clan :: RuneFest 2010 Attendee ~ ~ Ex-Descendant Guardian :: Ex-Wilderness Guardian (2005-2006) ~ | ||||
Posted: December 2, 2010 07:56 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
 If so, did you use the OC switches or did you do it manually? Good call with the RMA though. It really cannot hurt. @Robbie's Edit: I don't really use anything that would need 8GB of memory. I have maxed out my memory a few times, though. Once when fooling around, starting up 3 VMs - OSX, Kubuntu, WinXP - and the other time when working on a school project, with a couple Adobe programs up, running, working, rendering, and all of that jazz. If I was to upgrade it, I would just go straight to 8GB, because I figure I might as well while I am upgrading. Also it gives me a reason to do a fresh install, because I really need one to just start this computer back at square one. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: December 2, 2010 12:01 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: RobbieThe1st Group: Founder Posts: 770 Member No.: 2 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 49 |
I managed to get that sort of thing to work once(a different time, it -forced- registration immediately - no internet configuration == no registration with my setup, so I was screwed there), and I might have been able to do it with reasonably equivalent hardware - But there is -no way- I could have done it with one of the disks being(essentially) a USB removable disk. @Nick: Yea, I suppose. Just make sure your setup(AMD Phenom, right?) can support all the ram at the speed you want. A little research never hurt. OC wise, I tried out the "find max FSB" feature under the "OC" section of the bios(I forget the name, it's the right column, first or second item from the top) after setting the memory multiplier to minimum. I then adjusted the fsb down from that so that one of the memory multiplier settings matched(approximately) my memory's speed(240mhz in my case). After doing that, I boosted the CPU voltage a bit, upped the CPU multiplier 0.5x above nominal speed, and then tested that it was stable. After that, I just kept upping the multiplier and voltage as-needed(Note that 1.5V is "safe max", apparently), testing with "CPU Burn" under "Single"(test) on my Inquisitor LiveCD(I'd run it for 3 or 5 minutes). Once I was happy that it'd run stably, I actually booted and played TF2 with it - I ended up getting to 3.7ghz stably for a significant period of time. Note though that during my tests, I'd find a nice setting combination one day, and when I got on the next day it would fail to post the first time I turned on the machine, when the temperatures of the components were in the 30-40F range. Possibly just due to an already-failing chipset. edit: Oh, BTW - if my RMA gets turned down, I'll probably end up buying This board to replace it. I'm going to have to look into downsides of the Nvidia nForce northbridge(and potential OC woes), but it would allow SLI, so... -------------------- Old Avatar - Paypal donation link I am left handed, and proud of it! Retired from RuneScape. Old forum posts: 2275(s4+s10+wg.com)+1759(z6 old account)+474(z6 new account) Total: 4508 Join date: 4/16/05 | Get Firefox 3.5 now: http://www.getfirefox.com | RobbieSwich for Firefox | ||||
Posted: December 4, 2010 08:37 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 | I put Ubuntu on my spare computer (which would ran like shit on all versions of windows I installed) and it runs perfect on Ubuntu other then some hardware I would need to fix. My new computer came with Windows 7 so I will probably just leave that on it for now. In the future I think I might install Ubuntu and leave Wibndows 7 on at the same time just to get the best from both worlds. --------------------  The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011        | ||||
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