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Posted: January 2, 2011 03:46 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | Aragon suggested to me a few weeks ago that I make a topic about myself. It would work similar to the one that I made for Keanu. A few weeks ago, mutiny was attempted upon me. This topic is not meant to discuss who was right and wrong in that. I don't think we're going to find agreement there, only drama. What this does mean, though, is that my rank is no longer safe.
There are three things you should know about me before we proceed: 1. I do not take criticism well, but I will try. Be gentle. 2. I still believe that I am the only one who can do my job. 3. If the clan asks for it, I will step down. _______________________________________________________________ Simply put, my position as the leader has been called into question somewhat frequently these past few weeks. The system that has worked for us has always been this: I don't change easily, and I don't change very much. Take my skills and gifts, and put up with my shortcomings in return. It would seem that this is not working for many people. I will try to change from your feedback, but I can't promise change will come. On another note, people have also questioned the rank itself. I was told that I should be a member of the council and not the final word, in order to make a fairer system. I also realise that if you lacked faith in me, you'd not be here. Thank you for that. However, given the recent events and talk about my rank, I should invite conversation about it. I have been challenged to resign by several people now so it is time for you to speak up. I have much on my mind but I can't find the words to express it. Go ahead and post. --------------------  | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 03:53 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | I'm guessing this isn't about the JOKE General Matters post 'Kyle for Primary', because that one is a joke, but yes in the past your position has been questioned due to inactivity (not your fault). However, recently, i think that your activity has been sufficient as a Primary Leader. You attend and lead raids, you attend and lead wars, you are on IRC once a day at least, if not more, and you talk to the members and start interesting, if not slightly odd, conversations in it. You do have your shortcomings Gene, but so does everyone. One of them is your, often, quick-to-anger temper, but then again, everyone has different shortcomings and i'd prefer this one to, say, laziness or arrogance or whatever. It just means that members have to know what annoys you, and I for one, after being here for just under 4 years, do know. You sir, are a fantastic leader, and this is perhaps all the more surprising considering you've been doing it for over 7 years now and that you appear not to have lost your spark for the job. You are creative, you are normally an inspiring man to talk to and you incite goodwill and confidence in your members. You should be proud of yourself and what you have achieved. ~George --------------------    | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 03:55 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: James|i2ipperz Group: Guardian Posts: 348 Member No.: 2438 Joined: October 25, 2010 Total Events Attended: 46 | Hey Lordy, you dont know me well but im James  I dont understand whats going on but one thing is in the back off my mind, i havent seen you at a raid for awhile? I dont know if thats something thats wrong just telling you how i feel because our leader isnt their. If its irl issues shoot me now im sorry i cant read to well  Edit: Unless you changed your name xD -------------------- | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 03:56 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Theboy126 Group: Higher Guardian Posts: 341 Member No.: 2352 Joined: August 17, 2010 Total Events Attended: 118 | Gene, I've never met a person or a Leader who can be so passionate about a clan. I've been in quite a few top clans, and honestly their leader's mainly focus on winning wars, etc. But, your always their for YOUR members rather then letting other people help them. Even though me and you are different time zones and I hardly talk to you, but when I do its great to get to know more about you. I think that your rank as founder should stay as FOUNDER. Who care's about what other people say? Let's see them do as much shit as you do IRL. I doubt they can even keep up with you. My main point is, you should stay as a clan Founder, cause your passion about WG is crazy. Making shirts, pen's, going out making the clan well-know to all people who play RS. STAY AS FOUNDER. No question's asked. Simple. -Joey. --------------------  | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 04:06 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: James|i2ipperz Group: Guardian Posts: 348 Member No.: 2438 Joined: October 25, 2010 Total Events Attended: 46 | O lollol Sorry Gene  Ill attend more aussie raids <3 from what ive seen your dedication to WG is more than outstanding! Your a great guy gene keep it up -------------------- | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 04:07 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Actually, i do have something to add that I did forget about, that VUlcan just reminded me of: Everyone likes to get drunk, and everyone acts a bit silly when they are drunk, however, when you are drunk Gene you tend to come online, either onto forums or IRC (sometimes) and make a bit of a fool of yourself.... You have said things to me, when drunk, that have disappointed and upset me in the past, and while I can often tell that you are drunk and that you don't often mean what you are saying, it does hurt sometimes. So i guess, stop coming onto IRC when you are drunk!  -------------------- | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 04:17 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: fbi3255 Group: Emeritus Posts: 800 Member No.: 1776 Joined: March 21, 2009 Total Events Attended: 143 | I respect this post untterly and lordys courage is evident, I hope the members answer this in the way it was written for. This is for the best of WG so speak up. --------------------   | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 04:18 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Rodney75 Group: Council Posts: 1683 Member No.: 2109 Joined: October 29, 2009 Total Events Attended: 154 | Difficult topic covering difficult issues. I literally just spent 20 minutes writing a reply to this, only to delete it. I want to keep this response short and meaningful. You are a unique leader. Personally, I like your 'all powerful' role and how you use it. You are not a 'in your face' type leader, and sit back and watch a lot of the time. I love the how the council sit just below you, because I know that if they have a unanimous decision (which you do not agree on), you will still listen to them and go with it. You are stubborn sometimes, but you have to be. WG is yours and has been for many years. I am only lucky enough to have seen the last two, which I very much enjoyed. That's quite a lot of praising. Now to cover some 'sensitive' issues. You are quick to anger and sometimes I think you let it get the best of you. When you drink, you should not be allowed on the forums. I do get quite annoyed and your stupidity sometimes. As Founder, you should not have your silly moments like that - it doesn't really reflect well. That's about it for now, will probably edit in some things. --------------------  | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 04:27 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: ZurvivorMan Group: Emeritus Posts: 1098 Member No.: 1528 Joined: December 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 99 | I just wanted to let you know that i support you no matter what. I believe you're doing a good job, and i know for a fact that most of us in WG also think so. I can't find the right words to express what i really think about you and what you do because if i did i would probably sound like a 'suck up'(like now lolz). And yeah, i got to agree with Tom a bit here. You are a bit quick to anger. Don't step down. -------------------- You don't have to feel like a waste of space You're original, cannot be replaced If you only knew what the future holds After a hurricane comes a rainbow Maybe you're reason why all the doors are closed So you can open one that leads you to the perfect road  | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 04:35 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Group: Ex-Member Posts: 632 Member No.: 2467 Joined: November 27, 2010 Total Events Attended: 26 | You know you have a fucking awesome leader when they order pens and shirts with your clan's name on it, and then handing them out at RuneFest. Stepping down? No. There's absolutely no need for that. You made this clan years ago, how could you even suggest a thing? You deserve the tag of Primary Leader more than anybody in this clan. The only reason I brought up you making this topic is because a lot of people were upset about you letting the Aussies on your account, and them reading the private leadership boards. There's nothing wrong with getting drunk and having fun on IRC, Evizu (Violent Resolution's Leader) has a reputation of doing so, and even though people talk trash about VR, they are a good clan, and he's a good leader. But if you look at The Titans, their leader Bishinmo requested not to have Admin access on their forums because he knows he'll go crazy with power at one point or another, so he only has global mod, and the retired leader from a while ago (Wardi) has ACP as well as the Commissioners (High Council). I am not mentioning this because I don't think you should have access to the ACP, it's because of the self control he has. That's why he's a successful leader, he knows his weakness and he was the only one that could fix it. If you know you fucked up, fix it. From what I've seen you have never hesitated to make an apology topic, which not many leaders do when they mess up. Do not forget the past because you need to remember your mistakes to help improve in the future. -------------------- Our greatest glory consists of not in never falling, but rising everytime we fall.   Former Raid Leader of the Wilderness Guardians # MAX # COMBAT # | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 04:38 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | That's why I don't want to discuss the Aussie IRL meeting prank. Because I was sober when I did it, and I still feel I did nothing wrong. And WG will disagree with me, and there's no point debating it since neither side will yield. -------------------- | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 05:16 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Well Gene from the first day we meet in Draynor Village at a Tears of Guthix event I was "OMG, who does he think he is making me add him in the game." I sorta didn't like you at all cause you were not friendly just annoying and demanding. I would jokingly tell Steveypants that you were a mean Panda with sharp claws and razor teeth cause you just were going to shred me if I spoke to you. I think the first 1.5 years I barely spoke to you from all the stuff people said. I remember the day that I became endeared by you and understood all my misunderstanding and that you were one of the nicest and friendliest guys in WG. It was after I had attended my first pkri with WG. I had died several times and was discouraged about it. You lost your temper with me . . . then in IRC you came to me and apologized profusely. I instantly gained so much respect for you. I had been one of those members that simply refused to train. More because I was pushed then that I didn't want it. I am extremely stubborn. You are the only one to ever give me a warn level in all my time here. I still giggle when I reread it and I probably would of done everything the same but removed the tiny 84 in the corner. lol But again I learned from it. The ROT merging thing. I laughed so hard in real life when I read it I thought I was going to cry and roll on the floor. I pretty much knew there was no way that was going down and that you just needed some fun and to get some reactions from the clan. The forum was probably the busiest I've ever seen them. Tweek was really the only member that could not handle it. He left WG. Becoming council was a totally different experience for me. I sorta had to find my own way and learn to completely independent from the other council at first. It didn't take you to long to realize that I was going to be exactly what you wanted in council. You really changed your mind about me. I have stepped on your toes a few times and sorta make you mad, but at the end of it all I think you like things I do. Since the beginning I have felt that I could do and be independent from you and make my own decisions with some respectful consideration to you. You have not come to challenge me about any decisions I couldn't compromise with you. So basically as leaders together, we compliment each other. When one of us would tend to be to harsh or to easy, the other one is there to help. I think the relationship that we have developed over the past year makes your founder rank and being a bit of a dictator a working balance in WG. The biggest thing I think you should know is that we mostly think the same on issues, but it is the way we approach getting the outcome that we want that differs. So don't be reserved when talking to me about issues that you might think I will not see the same as you. With one exception, that would be Joe. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 05:19 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Zeth Group: Emeritus Posts: 1839 Member No.: 17 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 63 | No one can replace you. I don't even have to write any reasons, to me it's a fact. Without you as the leader, WG wouldn't be WG. You can give more power to the council, but I believe you already give a lot of power to all the members of WG and everyone gets to say what they think about pretty much every decision being made. Do not step down. --------------------  Joined WG - 24th of June 2007 - Never left. | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 05:21 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Bam Group: Emeritus Posts: 2762 Member No.: 131 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 111 |
pretty much said what i was about to say. --------------------   | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 05:24 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Gene, what I'm writing here may or may not seem like an attack towards you, your personality may take it as an attack. I assure you, it is not an attack. Given that, please read on. I think if you wanted to work on one thing, it would have to be your interaction with the clan. You give off this aura of "I'm better than you, and you should just accept that," when in fact you're not. I'm not talking clan status at this point. I'm talking just in general. When people question you, you shrug it off as them being stupid or irrational and don't take a second to look at it from their point of view. You're not always right, and that is the first thing you need to embrace. You acknowledge your mistakes in situations like this, where it's necessary to make a grandstand, but in particular situations you're stubborn and aggressive towards people who simply want to make their point. You swat them down and refuse to listen because you "know" you're right, when in fact you're just being blind. With that said, something else you need to work on, which goes back to clan interaction is your role. You're currently our primary leader. You've described yourself as a "parent" when that's simply not the case. You're not significantly more mature than us. Age doesn't equal maturity. Logic and reason doesn't equal maturity either. Being able to function as an adult isn't maturity either. Maturity is understanding others when they're challenging you, it's being considerate when they're challenging you, and those are two things you just don't do and have to work on. Being a "parent" involves more than making a decision and enforcing it, it involves taking all other options into account. The difference here is we are in fact equal to you when it comes to addressing those options, and that is what you need to grasp. You have to understand that when it comes to working with us, you have to earn our trust just as we have to earn yours. And you've made it clear that you've no reason to trust us before, so why should we reward you with our faith? And when I say trust, I mean as a person. We can trust you to work for WG, but on a personal, individual basis, we really have no reason to confide and believe in you and that's not because we're stubborn, it's because you haven't given us a reason to do so. Just because we're members of your clan doesn't mean we HAVE to respect you unconditionally. You're not some diety that just commands respect and power by virtue of nothing more than status. Ultimately, what you have to do is acknowledge that you're not superior to us. This is not in the clan sense. You're not better than us as individuals, and it's clear in you feel that way. It is, I think the most damaging thing going for you right now, and is the most important for you to embrace and overcome. Hopefully you take this to heart and try not to condemn each point I made. I know for a fact I'm not the only one that believes what I've just said. I just hope that you're man enough to accept these points and work with, and not against them so that you can overcome them. --------------------  | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 05:57 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Garrett_xD Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1316 Member No.: 2159 Joined: November 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 132 | when you come to the raids, it feels more official and serious. thats how raids should be, but there can be jokes between fighting people. --------------------  | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 06:23 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | There is no other primary but you, we are here by your ideals. If you step down the WG we know will be gone and there will be no reason for me to be here. I will Never forget those lovely flowers and the sweet note when my best friend died. You listened to me grieve and gave comfort and love. I have seen you grow from a shy boy into a confident man. You are a charismatic leader, one who I would follow to the gates of hell and beyond. --------------------   | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 07:11 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Fire Lion Sword Group: Emeritus Posts: 1189 Member No.: 103 Joined: January 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 3 | Why did I joined this clan, if I wasn't prepared to invest my loyalty in its leaders' judgement? I don't know. It seems fairly easy to me. Trust. Council members are in fact leaders of this clan, and I'm always very willing to entrust my loyal to them. But, they come and go -- and not always on the best of terms. Who, then, would my trust be most invested in? The only leader that has retained, for a majority, responsibility over the clan. His Lordship. His Lordship +1. Respect. A group of people helped found this clan. Many of them have moved on, their influence continuously diminishing in their absence. The few that remain deserve a good amount of respect. There's an obvious individual amongst them that has been around from the beginning, subsequently nurturing his inherent authority over the clan. His Lordship. Founders +1. His Lordship +1(+1). Obligation. In terms of obligation, which I assume every member understands, respect should be given to the Primary Leader of the clan. That one's a bit of a loophole, isn't it? Yes it is. Think about it. His Lordship +1. The issue is the discrepancy between respect and obligation. It's always been the issue. Quite frankly, your method of leadership is unusual. It's unusual because, in my opinion, it's exceptionally effective and enduring. Not to imply a total lack of tragedy, of course. Referring to the "Parent" analogy, it has played out as such. What is a family about? Skill? Wealth? Love? Maybe 'love' is too strong a word, but the fact is this clan is predominantly based around our bond; not our skill or our wealth. Skill and wealth are unstable foundations. They're the reason many clans collapse. Why is WG still around? ... But I digress. Going back to respect. What is respect? Respect, to me, is having the ability to accept another's will and thoroughly appreciate the significance therein. It's an acknowledgement. It's not a complete submission of one's own opinion or desires. And, assuming the previous logics stated at the beginning of my post are sound, the last, semi-satirical reason that is 'obligation' should be come somewhat automatically as a result of reason 1 and 2. So, what's the problem? In my opinion, it's denial and immaturity. What's wrong with considering yourself a parent? It can be an accurate description of your position in this clan; and, in this case, it is. "Architect" can also fit. WG is your vision. Many members comprise of its entity, but without the purpose that is your vision, their presence - my presence - is pointless. Simply put, WG isn't WG without His Lordship. And, I'm not trying to sound poetic. Some members may be unwilling to submit to authority on the basis of a lack of skill or wealth, which will subsequently support a lack of respect. Those people should strive to convince you... or consider leaving. The unmentioned option would be to remove you from the scene, which then, I would consider a hijacking. Your leadership will naturally be questioned. From me, for what it's worth, your leadership is not only effective but also required for this clan to retain its identity. -------------------- --------- 獅の炎 ----------  ----------- 忍☯者 ----------- | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 08:09 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | I just wish you were more active. It seems like every time you get active something new comes up like school/vacation/rl meet/blah blah blah. Not saying you should avoid real life but to be a leader of a clan it requires A LOT of attention. And coming from an EST member, it gets frustrating only seeing your leader on ~2 hours a day, especially when they don't post on your topics ever. Be more active and the clan will follow. --------------------   | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 08:12 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | Dont have much to say, we've had our differences but, that doesn't change the fact you aren't replaceable.....fuck the people who are saying this shit to you WG isn't wg without you. The only time I ever had a problem with you truly, was DDay......but that was like forever ago soooo no big deal =P Your an awesome leader. --------------------  | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 08:23 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 | I've never had a problem with anything you've done or haven't done as a leader while I've been a Guardian. Even while WG could be considered a dictatorship, I prefer it so that you have the final say in matters. I understand the joke side about the real life meetings, and don't have a big problem with it. And you plan to return to full activity when the wilderness update happens. So far I have been presented with no long-term reason for why I should consider your resignation. I won't make this a completley glorifying post writing about your leadership. But, I do agree that without His Lordship, there is no WG. You led the clan to success once before. From a start of 30 members between 30 and 60, #3 took three years. Now we've got 60 members between 100 and 126. This time, let's see if we can do it in two. --------------------  [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 09:19 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Group: Raid Leader Posts: 1110 Member No.: 2430 Joined: October 14, 2010 Total Events Attended: 77 | Well before we get #3 we have to change our mentality at raids i think. Tbh keanu i liked the way you tried to motivate us that we could take brut......even though we couldn't, and you may have taken it a bit too far. I think motivation is the key, just not too much. <<<On Topic -------------------- | ||
Posted: January 2, 2011 11:08 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: DG_Keanu Group: Council Posts: 4782 Member No.: 2033 Joined: August 25, 2009 Total Events Attended: 173 |
The reason behind it is we have no motivation to take on ANYONE who we don't have a clear advantage over, not just Brut - Welf, Jaja, NR, etc. I agree, mentality on raids needs changing, but that's off topic. -------------------- [05:42] <+WG_Keanu> I think I got a semi just looking at the pic [05:42] <%kat> same | ||
Posted: January 3, 2011 12:22 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | Nobody can do your job. Ever. Nobody else in the clan world can do what you have done. You have made t-shirts, made irl meets, making events with jagex. That is more than enough. Anyone believing otherwise needs to think abit more about how much more successful WG has been compared to other clans outside the wilderness. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||
Posted: January 3, 2011 12:27 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: hacked 4LYF Group: Guest Posts: 24 Member No.: 2493 Joined: December 25, 2010 Total Events Attended: 0 |
That takes commitment and determination, two of the most important skills of being a good leader. --------------------  | ||
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