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Posted: February 16, 2011 02:02 pmTop
   
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IRC Nickname: Maths
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Just wondering why clan vs clan fights are still being set up in CWA? Sure its a controlled environment, there aren't crashers, and there is no risking of losing items, but I thought the only reason we were previously using it was because of the lack of pvp/bh worlds. Right now, every single world can be the grounds for a pvp fight.

So far, we have had 2 wars since feb 1st; 1 in Wildy, 1 in CWA.
Upcomming we have 4 wars; 1 in Wildy, 3 in CWA.

If this clan was serious about putting ourselves on the map, wilderness fights would be made regardless, and clan wars fights would be scrapped except for training purposes, and fun allied training fights.

The benefits of actual pvp fights are:

Risk vs Reward

If you perform well in your planned pvp fight, you will gain rune. If you perform terrible, you lose bank. Is this not an obvious way to improve the clans warring ability as a whole? At the moment, most members can rock up to a planned CWA fight, and have no care in the world about how they perform. It does not matter, because they're not directly affected with either a win or a loss. They can turn a blind eye to every single "we need to improve" topic as they will not be affected now, or in the future if fights are still held in CWA.

However, when your members are losing bank because their war performance is terrible, this makes most members strive to improve, as their bank is directly affected by their own performance.

Clan world recognition

On rsc, nobody could give a s*** about CWA fights since the wilderness is back. You wonder why SE took off their rune and just tanked in nothing? Because its CWA, nobody cares if you're not risking bank and beat a clan. Hell, I would've even taken my rune off if I was in that clan.

However, when you take a fight to the wilderness and bring 30 members each risking 200k in rune, that's acceptable by the clan world standards. The other clan is going to perform their best because they are also risking bank, hence the fight gains recognition and can be taken seriously.

Practice for full out wars

All major WG wars are held in the wilderness, however too many times have I seen people not binding, or tanking terribly. This is due to the lack of pvp experience. However, if every single one of our members isn't scared to bind in pvp because they've done it 1000 times before, then that's beneficial as a whole.

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But honestly, think about it. If you're risking bank every time you go out, you would try to personally improve in wars right? This is why people trained in the past, so they weren't the lowest level who was going to get piled first.
 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 02:08 pmTop
   
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As I was previously being one of the lowest members for a certain stage I know whats its like to get piled and get owned. By risking 250k each time I got owned I would REALLY want to get better at tanking (if only...).

We have 10 sets banked at ALL times, why aren't we risking these sets?! I know a few members have 50+ sets! Why have them if we aren't going to use them! This needs to be dealt with swifty, no more CWA unless for practice (i.e non-posting wars).

You need to risk it for the biscuit.
 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 02:09 pmTop
   
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another great topic maths.

But of course, this is just temporary.

The trials are getting into the groove so give them some time, I already mentioned to them to try and get wilderness fights unless unable to.
 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 02:15 pmTop
   
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QUOTE: Jayson @ February 16, 2011 09:09 am)
another great topic maths.

But of course, this is just temporary.

The trials are getting into the groove so give them some time, I already mentioned to them to try and get wilderness fights unless unable to.

get a big war
 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 05:24 pmTop
   
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IDK how you can come up with so much to write ohmy.gif

Read it all and was like, woah. But yeah i can see where your coming from.
 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 09:47 pmTop
   
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From what I've seen in most of our CWA fights everyone just ends up slacking off or goofing around.
Whereas, fight in deep wild everyone tends to be serious.
I say leave CWA for practice and deep wild for actual fight.
 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 09:49 pmTop
   
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I completely agree with this matter, Though my sets tab is not up to scratch, I'd like to be able to constantly stock it up without feeling like i'm wasting my cash on sets i will never loose.

And personally I Love fighting in the wilderness, I prefer the actual pressure you feel when you know you can eithger make bank or lose it, Makes warring alot more interesting.
 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 10:23 pmTop
   
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My personal thing is i prefer warring in CWA on f2p. PVP for p2p as i prefer f2p (minority i know) i will stick to what i prefer what rules i know best will work for wg.

As Jayson said we are just getting hold of the ropes.
There would of been a short prep the other night against HF as they came after us but they wanted similar rules to a fight with FF i think it was where they wanted +5 I did whittle it down. However as there was no warlord or Raid leaders i couldnt make it official as we had to clear things first with ranks.


 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 11:03 pmTop
   
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If a clan is a rune pure/tank clan, and they come to you asking for a fight, and they want +3 or +ANYTHING, autodecline them. WG has low leveled members too, asking for that handicap is just proving that they suck so bad they need us to drop a few members to beat us. Even then, someone like HF, who can pull 40-50 in the wilderness, are downright pathetic to coming to a clan like WG for a fight.
 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 11:13 pmTop
   
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I did +P
im not daft mate. Just was pointing at the fact that im aware that wg is a PVP clan.
 
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Posted: February 16, 2011 11:15 pmTop
   
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tbh i agree on this. more pvp fights. and for some odd reason. we always pull more when its pvp. and we usually. always win. >_>
 
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