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Posted: April 3, 2011 02:22 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Bgpgraebner Group: Higher Guardian Posts: 780 Member No.: 2457 Joined: November 17, 2010 Total Events Attended: 51    | There are lots of new members coming to WG nearly everyday. Sometimes, one or another member quits. We all treat them equally - if Kyle decides to rejoin WG when he's back, we'd treat him just like we did. Now. Gerard(Wg_Supreme, d3mons_de4d or suprem3 k1ll as you may know him) decided to come back. He's a great guy, and before he left, he was active and a great overall member. Just because he decided to use the same introduction he used when he last joined(He's not very a very patient person after all), and maybe some other reasons that I can't personally see, people start saying it's disgraceful, people start going "meh" and all that, etc. Wasn't it supposed to be equal treatment to everybody? I know that depends on our actions, but is using the same introduction something to go "meh" over his app? All I'm saying is don't do this, seems to me this is exactly what happened to keanu - THIS IS NOT A FLAME POST. I'M JUST EXPOSING MY POINT OF VIEW. -------------------- SEX. Now that I got your attention, please read my post. | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 02:25 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: ratslang Group: Guardian Posts: 97 Member No.: 2610 Joined: February 21, 2011 Total Events Attended: 28 | i agree. tbh i never give alot about posts a form you need to fill in is not who you are if you got the people and the stuff i thinks its fine? we can see who they are when they joint... some of you know i'm bored of filling in forms  -------------------- My cape's:            For in a long time:   | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 02:27 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Garrett_xD Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 1316 Member No.: 2159 Joined: November 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 132 | It still isnt a quality people look good upon, If you want to join a clan, Patience is a key concept. If he cant get some patience he will have many problems in the future. --------------------  | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 02:33 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: ZurvivorMan Group: Emeritus Posts: 1098 Member No.: 1528 Joined: December 6, 2008 Total Events Attended: 99 |
This -------------------- You don't have to feel like a waste of space You're original, cannot be replaced If you only knew what the future holds After a hurricane comes a rainbow Maybe you're reason why all the doors are closed So you can open one that leads you to the perfect road  | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 03:02 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | I can tell you exactly who will be a quality member just from their application alone. After seeing hundreds of apps I know for a fact that if you're too lazy to make a new introduction then you're too lazy to attend events and be active. WG has always been soft on accepting apps and you wonder why so many people join and are never seen again. --------------------   | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 07:08 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Dallar Group: Event Leader Posts: 1899 Member No.: 1957 Joined: July 16, 2009 Total Events Attended: 137 |
Quoted for truth. The members who either get booted when we have activity sweeps or just resign after 1-2 weeks are mostly those people whose introduction/application has been crap. You do not mean business by it if you can't be assed spending some time writing a good and informative introduction. --------------------  Click me if you need cheering up - I guarantee happiness will blossom | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 07:39 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mark`` Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2190 Member No.: 2320 Joined: July 15, 2010 Total Events Attended: 208 | As long as I can PK with him I'm not bothered.  Everyone else said what i would have. -------------------- Be sure to check out the Community Events Forum!   | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 07:49 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: WizardOfGod Group: Banned Posts: 808 Member No.: 2429 Joined: October 13, 2010 Total Events Attended: 40 | i used my old apps when i re-joined and im active  --------------------  Finally the #1 fisher in WG :) Wilderness Guardian's Top Fighters F2P Safe- Levylov F2P Dangerous- Levylov P2P Hybridding- Ching P2P Dangerous- Ching P2P Safe- Levylov Wanna take these ranks down join the 1v1 ladder! http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=22029 | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 08:11 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Raging_Mage2 Group: Guardian Posts: 749 Member No.: 2588 Joined: February 7, 2011 Total Events Attended: 42 | You say equal treatment, if anyone used a year old app, I would hope that they get the 'meh' treatment aswell.
QFT --------------------  #1 In Heaven's Slayer Challenge ## Originally WG since 16/05/06   v -Click below for Goals & Achievement Thread- v  | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 08:18 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | If you can't wait through our basically nothing application you shouldn't be in WG. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 11:48 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | If someone really wants to be in the clan, I'm sure they can put up with about 15-30 minutes of writing a decent application/introduction. If you go back, I bet all of the people who are elite now, wrote what many would call 'A great app', while people who drop out of the clan for being inactive, would have 1 word answers and nothing more than a sentance. Put in the time and you earn my respect. Also considering it was supreme (Who can read this), who left the clan due to getting 80% warn and not wanting to serve his 2 week suspension. I had hoped that he would try hard to prove to everyone that he is trying his best to prove everyone he has changed and wants to be here. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||
Posted: April 3, 2011 11:54 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Bgpgraebner Group: Higher Guardian Posts: 780 Member No.: 2457 Joined: November 17, 2010 Total Events Attended: 51 | I couldn't agree more with everyone, especially Jayson and Randy - But I also couldn't help reminding myself about this: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...showtopic=20881 -------------------- SEX. Now that I got your attention, please read my post. | ||
Posted: April 4, 2011 12:16 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 |
Gene's says a lot of things but "those who ignore the past are bound to repeat it" -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: April 4, 2011 12:25 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I'm hoping to see a nice hello. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: April 4, 2011 02:27 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Damien Wolfe Group: Clan Friend Posts: 73 Member No.: 2632 Joined: March 20, 2011 Total Events Attended: 1 | This puts me in a nervous and defensive position. I applied and could not put forth the time and effort the clan requested of me, so I've requested to wait until I can give the clan everything it deserves. Reading this post however has led me to believe that it isn't enough to be a member but one must attempt to excel above and beyond all expectations, regardless of dedications or creed. I understand this, it makes sense that a clan requires some activity otherwise it will remain stale. What scares me though, is the extent to which one is pressured to be active and this (strictly perceived) elitism gap between those who are highly active and those who drop out. It seems to me that the blame is falsely laid upon those who go inactive (to an extent). I'm not putting anyone on the line, nor will I ever do that publicly. What I am saying is that (and this has NOTHING to do with my personal situation mind you) as a clan we (including friends and guests) must present an atmosphere where people are allowed to make mistakes without severe penalty. What I mean: -People will apply and disappear, that will always happen and cannot be changed. No one is at fault for this except the person who went inactive. -People will apply and then become overwhelmed. I think it's great that this forum has an inactivity thread, but it seems that if someone were to be frequently inactive they'd receive a negative social stigma from the clan, even if they are trying everything they can to assist the clan. I also feel this stigma is what would cause those who are frequently inactive to never become fully active. This isn't as severe of a problem as it may sound as I've not gotten a strong sense of it but from maybe one or two members, but we must all remember one thing (metaphorically speaking): the rich may fill the coffers with as much money as they please while the poor may only offer one or two pennies. Which person holds more merit, the man who gave less than all, or the man who gave up everything he could spare? In clan terms, both should be equal in merit as what one lacks in time they make up in dedication by sticking around. (As a planetside player for a very large clan I've found the most loyal members are those who play every now and then but still fight for the same clan. They're the ones who won't get caught up in the drama or the politics). -The warning appeal system:
I am unsure what he did to deserve an large warn like that, or why exactly he left, but if it was due to him not being willing to serve his punishment I can't exactly blame him. I'm not saying it was wrong to punish him, but rather I can understand the position: each player is unique, each person learns differently. The flaw with many penal systems is that they give a blanket sentence to all offenders with the same rehabilitation process: wait out your sentence, pay a fine, and leave. What I suggest is a radically different "warning system" that works with the individuals strengths and weaknesses. Have a private forum where they will be directed to if they cause harm to the clan rules and show them exactly which rule they broke. Allow them a chance to make their case and listen to what they say, after which give each and every offender a unique punishment tailored to the person and situation that would be rehabilitating instead of demoralizing. I've never been a fan of suspension systems largely because they just relay the message "you've been naughty, now take a time out" instead of "you've been naughty, as punishment you must bump our recruitment thread three times a day for a week and make amends with the party you've offended. We know you're great at doing _______ and a fantastic member when it comes to ______, so we'd like to help you work on your _______ issue on a personal basis. Those are just my thoughts though, I don't exactly know everything in the world about WG since I haven't been here too long. If your social punishment methods are actually similar to the the method I've suggested then forgive my redundancy. --------------------   | ||
Posted: April 4, 2011 02:35 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Outlaw Group: Emeritus Posts: 558 Member No.: 2055 Joined: September 12, 2009 Total Events Attended: 95 | Wow man.. That's one hell of a post.. The main point is, writing a good application takes 15 minutes. Not even that if you can type semi-fast. If he can't spend that much time putting in an application, how could we ask him to do anything for his clan an clan mates if he can't do it for himself. Look how long it took you to write your post, it's well thought out, if not a bit wordy. But there is effort and consideration. That's all were asking for. --------------------  Join date : June 2006 Left : March 2007 Rejoined : October 2009 Original DG Member Completed Goals : 99 Cooking, 99 Fishing, 99 Strength, 99 Attack, 99 Constitution, 99 Defence, 99 Ranged  | ||
Posted: April 4, 2011 06:16 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Raging_Mage2 Group: Guardian Posts: 749 Member No.: 2588 Joined: February 7, 2011 Total Events Attended: 42 | IIRC, you actually put effort into your intro/app didn't you Damien? And you make posts like that, actual quality, and you Inactivity post was even decent. -------------------- #1 In Heaven's Slayer Challenge ## Originally WG since 16/05/06 v -Click below for Goals & Achievement Thread- v | ||
Posted: April 4, 2011 12:33 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Damien Wolfe Group: Clan Friend Posts: 73 Member No.: 2632 Joined: March 20, 2011 Total Events Attended: 1 |
The point I'm getting at in the case of small posts is to engage the poster. A lot of people don't know what to say and the questions asked on the introductions / applications are very easy to answer in a few sentences. Should they post two or three words, ask them questions about their interests, what they'll do for WG, etc. -------------------- | ||
Posted: April 4, 2011 03:21 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Bgpgraebner Group: Higher Guardian Posts: 780 Member No.: 2457 Joined: November 17, 2010 Total Events Attended: 51 |
Holy... Damien, You can't leave WG. You MUST make it to council man - I can see you have it in you. Oh well, I'm no person to say that, so ok. That's exactly where I was trying to get with my post. He just took my words and made them bigger and had one hell of a patience doing that, he explained it way better -------------------- SEX. Now that I got your attention, please read my post. | ||
Posted: April 4, 2011 10:51 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | To me the thing about re using an old application is you are a different person now than you were then. I feel if you really want to be here you should fill it out from your heart, be honest about things. It takes little time to actually fill it out and I would think more effort to have to scramble around and find your old one. --------------------   | ||
I'm a bit disappointed