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Posted: May 11, 2008 01:13 am  | |||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137    | Alright, after reading Pminogue's thread about the lower leveled members always getting cut in matched opts wars, I had an idea. I know it's pretty controversial, but the idea is this: A weekly event primarily for the lower levels (110-) to show what they're capable of. In this event a committee (probably the Raid Leaders and Council) would decide who was the best participant (choosing from only the 110- members). The best participant would earn himself an AUTOMATIC spot in the next matched opts war, mainly because he/she has shown their worth. The event could be a tanking event, or a hybrid event or both to really determine the productivity of the member. In the tanking event I was thinking that the attending members would take turns tanking everyone else. So depending on attendance that's a good 15 or so people (hopefully). Good tanking could be determined by how long someone tanked the group. The data could also be used to determine how many members from the opposing clan were killed during that time. An example could be if I tanked the group for 10 minutes, and lets say an average of one death per 5 minutes for the enemy. This means that during my span of tanking, two of the other clan's members were killed. Of course that's is probably severely underestimated, but you get the idea. In order to simulate a real war (if not more difficult), everyone would be in robes and binding. In the hybrid event, the attending members would be divided into two groups. Each group would have one hybrid whose sole purpose is to bind the member being piled. We'd probably choose someone who had high Defense and high Agility to make it a tough experience and really make the member earn their spot in the war. Basically it would be like this: Two teams: A and B, each with 10 members Each team has ONE hybrid and 8 people on the pile, and one being piled (person has high Defense and Agility, as well as Prayer and HP). The goal for the hybrid is to aid his team in killing the person being piled (obviously). Effective hybridding could be determined by the time taken to kill the person, or how many occasions the person was able to run freely, or based on how many binds were used or even how many laps around the center boundaries were done. In order to make this a challenge, the person who was chose to be the one piled (pre-determined) would use infinite run to make things hard. Also, of the 8 people on the pile, there could be a designated one person who is supposed to snipe the hybrid, and then get back on the pile when the hybrid puts his armor back on. These things I think would show who is able to accomplish the tasks that are required during a war, and gives the member the chance to show that they're not just some low level who can't do anything, but just doesn't happen to have a high combat level. --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: May 11, 2008 01:33 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: General199 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1073 Member No.: 318 Joined: March 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | Not to rain on your parade but I have hosted three Binding and Tanking practices yet hardly no one has shown up to them. The few times i had them hardly anyone under level 110 even showed up to them. If you are a low level and want to prove your worth in a war start showing up to these practices and maybe you will catch someone's eye. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: May 11, 2008 01:45 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | But the difference is that with this there is a reward. This is also mainly geared towards those who are upset that they're always being cut in matched opts wars. The best participant guarantees themselves a spot in the next war. The thing is, a lot of the lower leveled players might think that even if they do show up, nobody will really pay attention to them. This way, they're guaranteed some attention. It's shallow, but this provides incentive to the lower leveled members to show up to some practices to get better in order to better in these weekly events which get them a spot in the next matched opts war. Of course this would be open to anyone, but the 'prize' would go to the 110- group. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 11, 2008 03:35 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | One word- Train. I get cut too. What am I going to do? Train --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: May 11, 2008 03:42 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Good suggestions. We should do this. --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: May 11, 2008 07:50 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
Oh so constructive... Look, personally I don't mind if I get cut so, this is mainly for the lower leveled players that do mind that they're cut over and over and really want to fight. If YOU're going to train, fine, you do that. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 11, 2008 09:09 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Gunsnblades Group: Guest Posts: 265 Member No.: 286 Joined: February 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 22 |
general, i have attended your bind and tank practices  so theres one guy -110 -------------------- 98% Of teenagers surround their minds with rap music. If you're part of the 2% that stayed with rock, put this in your signature! I fail because I try and make out like I'm 18 so I can get Adult Forum access, how cool am I? | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 12:05 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | It sounds as a good idea on paper, but it's very hard to make such events successful - there are too many complications: -Organizing it so that everybody is notified -Making sure enough people come for it to have a point -Controlling the committee to avoid favouritism -Making sure the conditions are the same for everybody etc... We're conscious that being cut at a matched opts war is one of the most disagreable feelings one can get, but there are other solutions to avoid that. For instance, it's up to us to get more full outs, or matched opts wars where the difference in numbers is way less consequent - I tried to do that with MoD but they pulled nearly half of what I expected them too. One of the reasons of frequent cuttings is that our memberlist is too impressive to other smaller clans to which we could compete in a full out on short prep - thus, we can only fight matched on short prep most of the time. But an activity sweep should remedy to that soon. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 12:25 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
I realize that something like this wouldn't be easy to accomplish, but if the leadership is willing to put forth the effort to at least try I'd bet some of the ones who are frequently cut would jump at the opportunity to earn a spot in the next matched opts war. To get people notified, I was thinking about a mass PM that goes clan wide. Much like how you notify people when there is a war. Literally just as I notice that there is a war with MoD I've already got a PM telling me to visit the thread. If needed I'd be willing to send out a PM like that on a daily basis (we do have the ability to send the same PM to multiple people correct?) Attendance might be a problem, but you can almost count on a good number of the lower leveled members who are frustrated that they're always being cut to show up. There are always the really loyal members who are eager just to participate with the clan, and then you've got the Raid Leaders who are not only loyal, but know what they're doing and what to look for in a fighter so, since they'd be the ones organizing the wars, they'd probably want to know who's going to be fighting alongside them. I was thinking the Council/Raid Leaders would make up the committee since they'd be the ones leading the fights. If you think it would work, the committee could be made up of the higher leveled members who vote for which lower leveled member they'd be alright having fight with them. I doubt there'd be much favoritism though (just my personal opinion). I don't see Karel, Rob or Arsenal deciding who gets an automatic spot in a matched opts war because they're buddies. If needed the Raid Leaders would meet together and the propose a few names for someone (probably a Council Member) to choose from. The conditions wouldn't change. In terms of the tanking practice, the same team of 120+ would just pile the person being tested. The binding practice might be a bit more complex, but the teams would be pre-determined so levels and such could be worked out beforehand which should decrease complications. Of course, this all depends on the people's will to fight and if their frustration really means anything. If they want to fight, they should prove they can fight by attending this event. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 06:58 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 | I agree with you in principle Col, I do not think it is fair to those who are lower combat and show up to wars just to be cut. In application however, I do not see this working. It should be up to the leader to pick who will give us the best chances of winning the war. Similarly, if the leader has observed that a lower level is dedicated, comes to practice events, is good at tanking and binding, etc...then the leader should put the lower level in over a higher level because despite the lower combat level the lower level will preform better in the war. Some people have mentioned that if you want to be in a war, then you should just train. Ussually I am against this kind of thinking, and I have been completely opposed to manditory training programs or requirements. However, I do think that non-cohersive incentives to encourage people to train need to be maintained. While it may be unfair to constantly be cutting lower levels from wars, it even less fair to cut those who have spent their time training so that they can participate in wars. This is one area where we can reward those who have trained for their clan. Maybe this incentive could even be augmented, so that if a person has gained a combat level that week, the person cannot be cut from the war? I would agree with Snow, that the best way to correct this unfairness would be to simply have more full-out wars, or maybe have more re-matches where those who were cut can participate. --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 08:32 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 | It is rather fair how things are decided. Those who are willing to put some time into improving their combat levels for the clan, ergo them being high levels, get justly rewarded for the time and effort that they put into their training by being chosen to fight for the clan. It's only natural to have your best warriors possible fight for you rather than someone who didn't spend near as much time training their combat for the clan and will more likely get ko'd than the higher level will. Like it's been said before, the simple answer is to train for the clan. Getting some combat levels isn't so hard to do on members especially for those who are under 110 cmb. If I can manage to go from 105 to 116 combat in little more than a week, I'm pretty sure that you would be able to get to at least 110 cmb if you are around 100 cmb, in little more than 2 weeks of training, you wouldn't even have to no life it really. Just maximize your training, that means don't train using slayer, rather train by killing things like bandits or yaks, etc, so you don't waste time. Again, it's not hard to get f2p combat levels for peeps under 110 cmb. Instead of complaining about being cut, go train so you don't get cut next time. Besides, that'll help the clan in all aspects of war, not just give you a higher chance of getting into a matched opts fight. I don't know, I just think it's wrong of people to want to take the place of a high level who has trained to that level to help the clan the best that they can, to be replaced in a matched opts war by someone who hasn't even so much as put some effort into making their account as strong as they can in order to help the clan in a fight. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 08:44 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Flippie||Afk Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1708 Member No.: 55 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | Or, another thing i thought about: Make a mini with a lvl cap, so the lower lvls can show their skills too -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/ZitherBand Support my Friends!  | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 12:29 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I see what everyone is saying, and don't take this as a complaint on my behalf. I personally don't have a huge problem with being cut (which happens often) because I know my capabilities. I'm not an awesome tank, but can tank decently on some occasions (again, not consistently). I also always go as a hybrid, but I have not yet perfected the art of staying hidden so as not to get sniped. However, this suggestion is intended more towards those who do think they can provide more than someone who is higher leveled than them. High combat doesn't always mean great skill. If you take for instance pures who have low combat levels, but have the ability to take out higher levels pretty easily because they know when to do what, how and where to click in order to move without looping back and such. I'm not all that great at switching the different menus so it takes some time to get my Prayer on when I'm getting hit. Wouldn't it be better to have someone replace me if they could get their prayer on faster and armor on faster and run away even if they aren't higher than me in combat? Personally, the ability to stall is such a way that you whittle the opponents' abilities is more valuable than someone who can tank decently, but uses up some food making sure he doesn't get KOed because he couldn't get his prayer up fast enough. Zhero06, what you're not getting is that sometimes people don't have the time to train. If you're a member here, but low leveled say 105 CB. Let's also assume you've got a job six days a week for ten hours a day and you've also got school work to do. When you do make time for something like a war (which is taking away time from studying) wouldn't you like to participate? When are you supposed to make time for training? That's what I'm talking about. I'm also talking about those who are training, but aren't getting incredible amounts exp/hr rates because of cost issues and such. I'm not suggesting that if this were put into place that the winner would replace a 126 or something, but if it's a situation where it's a 110 and a 105, that the 105 would be taken because he's shown that he does know what to do in a situation. You can't really apply the "If I can do it, you can," mentality to this situation because so many things can affect the rates you get. Are you using Super Potions? Are you using a Saradomin Sword for Strength? Do you have access to the DT Skeletons? Do you have Guthan's? Are you able to buy Prayer Potions and use Piety at the undead monkeys on Ape Atoll? Do you have gear that gives high Strength and Defense bonuses so you're not constantly switching between training gear and Guthan's (if you have it.) All those things can determine how much exp you get an hour, so if you did no, that doesn't mean I can do it, or anyone else that is training for that matter. Don't get me wrong, I support the fact that training would be a great solution, but this is about the people who don't have that option. If need be, it doesn't even have to be weekly, could even be monthly. If this is to complicated (which I know it is, but think if the effort were put into it, it could work) we could have more mandatory practice sessions in which the leaders watch the lower levels a bit more carefully to see what they're capable of, and possibly call piles on them in order to test them and such. I like the idea of if a combat level is gained during the week, they're not allowed to be cut. My guess is this would only apply to certain levels though, in order to get them training. In any case... -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 01:15 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 | I was and still am poor as hell. All I trained in was zerker helm, rune, and d scimmy on stuff like yaks and experiments. No super pots or anything like that. And as to peeps not having time to train. Look at the majority of the peeps who are under 110 cmb, what do they have in common compared to me? That's right, a higher total level. That means they are spending more of their time doing skills that don't go towards helping the clan in wars than they are training their combat. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 01:34 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Pazenon Group: Emeritus Posts: 1477 Member No.: 33 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 79 |
Some people in WG like to play RS as a game. Their purpose of joining this clan wasn't just to war. You still can't get it off your head...WG isn't a warring clan  -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 05:06 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 |
Well then, don't cry when the people who actually put effort into helping the clan when it comes to wars by making their accounts as strong as they can, get first priority.   -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 05:09 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dalejamesw Group: Banned Posts: -1280 Member No.: 14 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 222 | A week I was aproached by someone from a different clan asking for a Matched opts capped at Level110, however i declined, maybe if we get another chance, you would like to have your own war? -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 05:21 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Pazenon Group: Emeritus Posts: 1477 Member No.: 33 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 79 |
You take Runescape wars very seriously. I look at them as things to do to have fun with your clan. Read the previous posts to get my point. I wasn't actually crying, and if you take a closer look, I wasn't even pissed. You're right, getting combat levels do help the clan. I never denied that. But warring surely is not the only thing we do here in WG, telling you that again. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 05:27 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: So Group: Guest Posts: 606 Member No.: 36 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 2 |
Hash. Off topic but true. If you have time to skill , you have time to train combat Judging by the length of your posts Colonel , nice suggestion. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 05:29 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
That is a good idea. I know some people also make fights were you are only allowed like 5 people who are 120+ which also works out well for me since I am only 119 combat  -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 05:41 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Spicy63 Group: Emeritus Posts: 785 Member No.: 50 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 |
Yes that could work, but opportunites like that are rare. Clans want to show their full potential and can't do that with just the lower portion of members Warring. It doesn't show a good representation of the Clan overall. The simplest way I see is to find more optiosn for Matched Opt sor Full out Wars, yet even if the idea is simple. The trouble is finding an opposing clan. People that get cut on more than one circumstance because of their Combat Level probably know that they will get cut at the next one. They know what they have to do to fix it as well, Train. Being chosen to enter into the war as a reward. Some people don't have a problem sitting out, and that is fine as well. But those that do the easiest resolution is to train. You have to work for what you want, in this case the work is training. My train of though completely fell off the track while I was wirintg and this might not make sence at all --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 05:53 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 |
It's not that I take them seriously, it's just that I'm a competitor at all things be it on a game or irl, and I also hate seeing my clan lose a fight. So I do my best for the clan to try to ensure that we win the fight, not just "have fun", but actually win, by training my account the best I can. Also, as you might have noticed, by trying to get others to train and doing whatever I can to help improve others for wars. I am well aware that WG is more than just a War clan. But, as I said before: Don't cry when the people who actually put effort into helping the clan when it comes to wars by making their accounts as strong as they can, get first priority. Obviously, we should be picking the person who dedicates more of their time on runescape towards improving their combat abilities in order to help the clan, over someone who obviously doesn't care as much about helping the clan in a fight. I say obvious cause if you really actually wanted to do the best you could for the clan, you would be training instead of posting things like this topic.That being said however, I had this same problem as Warlord in one of my previous clans, there was dissension among the ranks due to peeps continually getting cut from matched opts wars. They acted pretty much similar to what's going on in here, complaining about it rather than going out and taking the initiative by training to help the rest of the clan in a fight. I decided to stop short prepped matched opts due to this problem, and the unwillingness of the lower levels to train and help improve the clan's warring ability. After that, everything was planned fighting, we all knew who was going to go to what fights. We held capped fights to let the lower levels get some practice in, however the majority of the fights were given to our high levels because IMO, lower levels would contribute more by training their combat levels instead of coming to fights only to be cut and then complaining about not being able to fight. It's like you only want to have fun in the clan without giving at least a little bit back by taking more time away from skilling to train your combat level. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 07:08 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | First off, guys don't get at each other's throats alright, that's not what I want this thread about. I'd rather we just look at my idea and take what we can from it and scrap the rest because I do believe that maintaining something like this would be far to much work to put on the Raid Leaders and the Council. On another note, Zhero, you have a very valid point. If people have the time to skill, they have the time to train. However, just saying their total level makes that a fact is not very good evidence. For all you know they've had a high total for a long time now, the problem comes when they're on frequently and are consistently gaining levels while neglecting combat. I agree with you there, that that isn't something that merits complaints. I'll return and edit this post because I've got to catch myself up with everyone else's posts. EDIT: Warning: #Wall of Text#Paz, you also need to remember that given Runescape’s current state, warring is the only real clan event, other than internal events and joint events, there isn’t much else to do as a clan other than war, so levels do help a great deal, and the clan environment is sort of moving towards the war mentality. Community and skilling is still a part of WG because that is what we’re about, but remember, we’re also a clan as well as a family and we have to prove ourselves, so levels can show what we’ve got. Zhero, you need to understand that although levels are important, they’re not the only thing. Dedication isn’t measured by how much time you spend training, but by how much you put into the clan, in any way. Hosting events shows dedication, as does attending and supporting others. Suggesting and providing constructive criticism are also forms of dedication, so levels aren’t everything. However since we’re on the topic of wars and such, levels play an enormous role. You’ve also got to realize that us lower leveled members aren’t unwilling to train, we just don’t get the levels as fast as you. I’ve currently got my character parked at the DT skeletons and am training Attack towards Level 90, yet I’m only 107 F2P. I am making this topic, but am I unwilling? “If you really actually wanted to do the best you could for the clan, you would be training instead of posting things like this topic.” So what say you? Don’t get me wrong, I totally understand and respect your views because levels are in fact a vital part of wars, but they aren’t the only thing. This has been seen in history. The American Revolution was fought between the British Army and some angry Americans who’d had enough. They had no training really, or at least had the odds against them in practically every way in terms of training and resources, yet they won. Granted it’s not the same as RS, but the principle is there. Dale, I like the gesture, but I’d rather not think of it as “our war.” We’re a clan, and we should fight together, but this idea of “our war” and such divides the clan. Suddenly the lower leveled members, including myself are complainers because we’re “unwilling” to train and wish to fight. This is why I propose this idea, that those who don’t have the levels quite yet (but are expected to gain them of course) are given a shot at EARNING their place in a fight. Sure it’s not the same as parking yourself at Bandits for a few days to get some levels, but is there much of a difference in terms of dedication between showing your actual capabilities in a test rather than simply sitting in the same spot, not really doing much else other than checking to make sure you’re not being attacking by anything other than the Bandits, or if you’ve logged out? Like I’ve said, I don’t intend for this to be an easy way out of training, but make it something like a fall-back for the lower leveled members. Give them another option every once in a while to fight alongside their clan members, only after showing they can do what needs to be done in a war. Just one final note Zhero, I’d kindly ask you to stop labeling the lower leveled players as “unwilling” because I place myself in that category. I’m cut in each matched opts fight, and personally have no problem with it because I know I’m not the best tanker or the best hybrid. However, I am low leveled in comparison to the rest of the clan, and saying that I’m “unwilling” to train is very insulting. I’ve been with this clan for longer than you know so I am dedicated. I left for two years and the first thing I did when I came back was train to 100 because that was what the WG reqs were, and currently are, that right there is dedication. You’ve got to stop putting yourself on a pedestal, saying that you’re more dedicated than the lower leveled players because you were able to gain lots of levels in a short amount of time while they’ve only got a few levels to show for their dedication when they’ve put in a lot more in ways that aren’t really visible. Take Robbie for example. He doesn’t even play, but he’s put in more for this clan than you or I ever could. He’s dedicated and has 0 levels to show for it, but nobody denies his dedication. I honestly respect you Zhero because it’s obvious you want WG to flourish, but I think you’ve got to understand that WG isn’t like all the other clans. We’ve got a reputation about being friendly and having a great community and consistently cutting the lower leveled members from matched opts fights slightly tears the community apart, creating divisions of “lower leveled” and “higher leveled” and “dedicated” and “unwilling.” That WG reputation is something to be valued and we should do a little bit more to keep it intact, so if it means we might not win every single matched opts war, I say so be it because at least we’ll be cool with each other. That isn’t to say we should always put the lower leveled members in because then the higher leveled members would be feeling the same way. There has to be some compromise. That’s all I’m suggesting, is compromise. I love the idea of automatic placement if a full combat level is earned during the week. I’m sketchy on the idea of just creating more wars to satisfy the lower leveled members because then it’s like “Fine we’ll do this if you’ll just shut up,” and that isn’t what I’m asking for. I’m just asking for a single spot in a war that must be earned. We could even tweak my idea and make it so to be eligible, a member must have gained a combat level during the week to show that he/she isn’t slacking, or at least prove activity and dedication in some way. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 10:10 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | ok lets make this easy.....full out wars...we may get owned in opts or have more opts. You guys just better not complain if we lose lots of fights in a row b/c the other clan pulls more like what has happened before. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: May 12, 2008 10:59 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Kiwi, that's the kind of attitude that will just polarize a clan. There is a problem that should be dealt with and your method is "**** this, give them what they want so they'll shut up, but they better not complain when the result isn't pretty." I'm not requesting more full-outs. I'm requesting a chance for one of the lower leveled members to fight in a war they'd otherwise get cut simply because of their combat level. This is something that needs addressing because the lower leveled members are no less members of the clan than the higher leveled members, yet they don't get the participation. They attend other events, and show up to wars already expecting to get cut, but go anyway. Why not give one of them a chance every once in a while? Nobody, or at least I'm not asking for more full-outs so the low leveled members get more 100% participation capability, but just maybe every other matched opts fight, instead of taking the 110, take the 105. -------------------- | ||||||||
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