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Posted: May 16, 2008 10:53 pm  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55    | There is an old saying that “any publicity is good publicity.” In certain situations, this saying does have a lot of truth to it. We of course do not want bad publicity, but when it comes to getting our name out there, even what appears to be bad publicity can be good for us. Specifically I am talking about posting wars on RSC. We have accepted a few fights that are “no RSC post”, and I think we should instead have an official policy of only declaring or accepting wars where there a RSC post is allowed. Currently RSC itself frowns upon the “no RSC post” rule:
Recently we have been making a push to become more active on RSC, in order to improve our reputation.
There are a number of ways we can benefit from boycotting the “no RSC post” rule. Accountability: Having RSC posts is a way to ensure that clans do not cheat in wars. When there is an RSC post, then both clans know that the clan community is watching them. We could of course simply post on RSC anyways if a clan cheats, however doing so may be looked upon as making up an excuse for losing, or as cheating ourselves by violating the agreed conditions of the war. Either way, this tarnishes our reputation and could lead to the other clan claiming a null because we violated the terms of war agreement. Activity: Simply having our name put out there a lot in “WG vs Insert clan name here” topics shows that we are an active clan. It also encourages our members to post more on RSC, and is an easy way to get our post count up. Reputation: If we win a war, it adds to our reputation. If we lose a war, we can also turn this into a gain for our reputation. Regardless of the outcome of the war we can improve our reputation if we put up a good fight, do not flame or cheat, and congratulate the other clan on their victory. By losing with dignity we show potential members that we are a clan with honor and discipline, and we show other clans that we will give them a good and clean fight. I see no cons to a boycott on the “no RSC post” rule. If we were a clan that is unorganized, flamed, cheated, and/or acted like sore losers or arrogant winners, we would have to worry about our reputation from RSC war posts. We however have consistently shown that we are a clan that always fights with honor and respect. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 16, 2008 10:55 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 | Yes, but do you think the clans will fight us again? We will probably get flamed on RSC again and lose the clans we fought respect, if we have some atm. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 16, 2008 10:59 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
I don't think you are understanding me...I mean we do not accept the wars in the first place if there is a no rsc post rule. Boycott or no boycott, if we do for some reason accept a war where there is a no RSC post rule then we have to honor it. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 16, 2008 11:06 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: General199 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1073 Member No.: 318 Joined: March 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 0 | There are certain cases when we should have fights with Rsc posts allowed and others when not. It all depends on the situation. But yes, we need to keep improving ourselves and our reputation by posting clean posts and saying congrats to winning clans, better luck next time to losing clans, etc etc. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: May 16, 2008 11:42 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | It would help I think...we've been doing really well lately too -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: May 16, 2008 11:57 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
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Posted: May 17, 2008 05:20 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 | I agree with everything karl has said in his post. Getting our name out there is good. Even if we do lose, shows that we are human. However, if its only something small (ie. less than 10v10) I wouldn't see the point in showing the clan world we pulled 10 to a fight. Though for the big fights, they should all be rsc post. --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2008 05:41 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 | This is why my friend Karl is elite member and one of WG's wisest. "No RSC Posting" is retarded. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2008 11:40 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Would it just be an inside clan thing? What I mean is that would we just deny all invites to wars with that rule, or would we publicly say on RSC that we will not accept any war unless posting the results on RSC is allowed? In all honesty, we should go public with this. Maybe make a statement that using the no RSC post rule creates a facade, in that some fights aren't noted and thus the clan's status remains unchanged and nobody really knows the clans true abilities. I'm fairly sure we'd get some support, but also a lot of haters because people like to keep some fights private. I think if we did do this though, people would notice, and we'd live up the the honorable label that has been placed on WG. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2008 02:14 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
That is a good question. We would make a public statement, but probably not on RSC boards unless it focuses less on ourselves and more on why the no RSC post rule is counter-productive for the clan world. What I was thinking though is that we simply create an announcement in our diplomacy forum that we will now not be accepting any wars where there is a no RSC post rule. Ty Tmal, and I agree but was trying to put it in a nicer way, lol. As Colonel said, it is a way for clans to hide their abilities and war other clans without really risking anything. I find it amazing that people complain about CWA being safe and then do not even have the courage to risk a loss being posted. Regardless of what I think of the no RSC post rule in general, I am specifically saying that it is a bad idea for us. If a clan was over-ranked or made asses of themselves every other war, then they would probably want a no RSC post rule. We are the exact opposite, I think we are under-ranked right now and with every war we seem to secure a better reputation for ourselves. Maths, I would disagree on the 10v10, these can often be very contested fights and I think in most cases are worthy of an RSC post. However, I would say this is irrelevant because we should not be having any 10v10 fights, because when we do so we have to cut more people than get to fight. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2008 02:34 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 |
Oh I get it now lol, sorry  after reading this couple of time I kinda agree with you, even if we lose people will find us active. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 17, 2008 03:22 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | I never propose that rule when setting up a war, it's almost always the other clan who ask for it. In most cases they won't fight if there is a RSC post. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||
Posted: May 18, 2008 01:18 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 | This is just something assessed based on this increased "no RSC post" trend. We need to be careful about why these were proposed in the first place. Fighting a seasoned clan like WG reaps alot for the younger and upcoming clans - even for other seasoned clans - like a beacon for tests/morale. The gains for them are alot more than for WG. In a way, you're like a banker with all the secured bonds, and its used or banked to gain morale and/or reputation for the other party more by accepting such agreements. Best to avoid. If its a fun war, there's hardly few reasons not to post. If lose, its still indicates activity. Even better to be have been gracious players despite the loss. And that signifies community, not just ranks/wars. Except in "bad" publicity for being less than mature in handling isn't really as rewarding as what's left of it. Because, it attracts the kind of recruitment you reap and it only represents you as you've performed. Really, its a collective performance. Just that, it looks more likely that the other clan(s) is protecting their interests or leveraging at WG's expense rather than for the sake of chivalry or play or honoring a draw/win due to either. In a way, there's no sound reason (yet) for asking a "no RSC post" war. Unless in really exceptional cases (can't think of any), "no RSC post" wars or activities seems really dubious to even accept. 2 cents, for a clan like WG, it shouldn't be accepted under all normal circumstances. P.S. Disagree on any posts made in boycotting the "no RSC post" rule and post. Or that its posted in any other forums. Because you're worming your way into getting publicity and jumping over the hoop of the "no RSC" rule. It may not have broken the agreement per se (if not over RSC). But, there's nothing honorable to have worm yourself into publicity - clearly, a statement of some kind of desperation or urging want to get publicity. That kind of rush or urge, makes you look needy because you are (?). Not nice. Not agreed. Yes means yes. No means no, to publicity if agreed (RSC just happens to be conveniently prominent). Honor it. Don't sneak by it. It's a low thing to do if you do it. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama  | ||||
Posted: May 19, 2008 03:23 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 | To summarize Valdy's last point because it is a good one. Don't post on Tip.It, RHQ, or Sals just because the rule is "No RSC post". That is also a bad thing to do in my opinion. I don't know about declining fights for this reason by the way, but I think whoever is planning it should make a damn good effort to get a post involved. Clan A"No RSC Post?" WG "We usually like one" Clan A"Well we don't" WG "Ok fair enough" That^ Should NOT happen. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: May 19, 2008 05:21 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kero2|bryan Group: Guest Posts: 1302 Member No.: 91 Joined: January 2, 2008 Total Events Attended: 26 | No RSC was the funniest rule iv ever seen in clan matches todai. It shows you are scared and fear defeat. Honestly if you are scared to show the world you can be taken down by a war/skill clan then they shouldnt even challenge/talk to us about fights. It makes sense not to post like 500 ( exaggerated ) topics of WG beats BoS. Like the same team over and over, but variaty makes sense. -------------------- Best pure f2p Guardian Post here http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...owtopic=20&st=0   | ||||
Posted: May 30, 2008 03:37 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Group: Emeritus Posts: 505 Member No.: 20 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 27 |
Then we can follow the rules set by them, being as I was recruited into the guild from RSC i can say that it can help bring a lot of people in. We should try and make a push for more wars with RSC posting. Even if we do bad, getting our name out there will be good. I really think we should consider more RSC-post wars. -------------------- | ||||
Any Publicity Is Good Publicity, Boycotting the "No RSC Post" rule.
