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[Suggestion]IRC Warn System

Troll84

Posted: June 12, 2008 05:51 am

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This suggestion is in response to the IRC Power Abuse topic found here.

Well, having read this topic and responded, it seemed that the problem was not just for those being 'kicked' but also for those who did the kicking, as now some who were performing genuinely fair kicks are being implicated as doing wrong.

In my last clan, we had this sort of phase, where newer staff members who were exited about the fact they had powers decided to search for reasons to kick and be trigger happy with their 'kick' button. Because of this in my last clan, I implimented an IRC warn system. This works in the following way:

1) Member/Half-op displays bad behaiviour that although doesn't warrent a kick (e.g. one or two lines of spam) isn't really acceptable.

2) Half-Op/Op types !Warn + NickName Who Is Being Bad

3) The IRC bot (RobbieBot would be ideal for this if he could do it in his coding, if not i'm sure a different OP who hosts 24/7) increases the warn level (1/2) and publically warns the nick who has been selected by !warn.

4) The user got the message and stopped spamming (or whatever he/she was doing), OR the user continued spamming and it took !warn + NickName who is being bad and the user would be banned from the channel for 10 minutes

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4] Instead of being banned, the user who is kicked now gets ignored by RobbieBot when using !invite in #wg_lobby and when joining the lobby so will therefore not be invited to #wg

5) After 15minutes, any warns that were on just one out of two would be removed (forgiven).

What do ya'll think? Completely close me down if you think this is a step in the wrong direction

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Winddancir

Posted: June 12, 2008 05:54 am

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Would halfops be able to warn other halfops? And I can see this being abused for a few days as people get used to it... *considers abusing Glenn with it*

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Troll84

Posted: June 12, 2008 05:55 am

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Nope, there are conditions you can set in scripts for example for mIRC script:

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if (($nick ishop $chan) && ($3 ishop $chan)) { notice $nick Half ops can not warn other half ops! | halt }

Tmal34

Posted: June 12, 2008 05:57 am

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If it actually results in a forum warn level, which honestly it should, then I think it would be great.

Consider that if someone is doing something enough to get kicked from IRC, they deserve a forum warn. Plus that is far less likely to be abused if there are implications on forums as well.

I support this if it got used.

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Winddancir

Posted: June 12, 2008 06:00 am

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I'm not sure that adding the forum warn would do as much, because it would make it to where people would be hesitant to use the warn, and instead kick.

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Troll84

Posted: June 12, 2008 06:11 am

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QUOTE (Tmal34 @ June 12, 2008 06:57 am)

I wouldnt suggest simple !warn'ing should result in a forum warn level, after all it's to stop power abuse and the power abuse kicks are often for insignificant little things which instead could be replaced with !warn so the user knows to stop talking.

Perhaps the bot could log how many times a person gets banned (via 2 warns) and perhaps after 3 or 4 bans within a certain time period (e.g. 2 weeks) they get a warn level added on forums? Would that be acceptable from your point of view, Tmal?

~Mugger84

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Posted: June 12, 2008 06:28 am

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This sounds good to me, however I do know absolutely nothing in regard to IRC coding so I dont have any idea how difficult this would be to set up.

The one issue is that there technically is no such thing as a ban on #wg. Our current invite method means that a person can rejoin regardless of wether they are banned or not, as allot of people who have been KB'd find when they try to change their nick's when they are on #wg and it says "Cannot change nick withe banned on channel (#wg)"

This is why if you actually do desrve an IRC ban you will be KB'd in #wg and lobby. I could imagine it would be overly complex to make robbie not invite people for 10 mins

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Mickey

Posted: June 12, 2008 07:22 am

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It wqould work RobbieBot was used for it. Because he is connected to the forums amongst other things. Good idea Mugger.

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Tnuac

Posted: June 12, 2008 09:48 am

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I'd sit it out and give people chance for imporvement first, in the aftermath of the topic.

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Back to Own

Posted: June 12, 2008 02:36 pm

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That would be a good idea
A mute or something of the sorts would work too, but I like this idea better

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Troll84

Posted: June 12, 2008 04:05 pm

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QUOTE (Theevildead2 @ June 12, 2008 07:28 am)

You're quite right, i never thought about the fact that RobbieBot invites to the channel. An alternate solution can be derived though, the user could be kicked by RobbieBot and written into a .txt (i know this works for mIRC scripting but idk what Robbie scripts in) and make the bot ignore !invites and joins if the user is on the temporary list.

~Mugger84

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Kiwi011

Posted: June 12, 2008 05:39 pm

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should be used as a method of last resort to keep it from getting abused.....

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Tmal34

Posted: June 12, 2008 07:04 pm

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Actually I had some time to rethink this.
Here is what I think.

We don't need fancy systems to make our Halfs behave if they are abusing.
They need to kick when needed, and never, and I mean NEVER abuse.
If they abuse they lose half.

That is a simple and effective system. By coming up with complicated systems all we do is bail them out of their mistakes. If people can't handle half, they can't handle it any better just because of another system.

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Dorcha3377

Posted: June 14, 2008 06:36 am

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Tmal is right..the half/ops are there for a reason, if they don't behave simply remove them from the problem.
Let there be a zero tolerance for abuse, they do it, they lose thier priveleges.
It would cut down on a lot of problems.
Trust me the simpler the plan the easier it is to keep up with it and execute it.

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