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Posted: August 15, 2008 03:31 am  | |||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286    | We don't get freedom of speech. Power hungry mods keep editing posts and such. I've seen it happen to other people too. How about you just stop it you mods? I'm sick of it, I've literally had enough of those people who can edit posts. Like its getting to a point where its members vs mods in wg. Just let us have our say. Just because we don't agree with your view, doesn't mean you have to edit out our posts or delete them. I can have a go at a fellow member, for posting something I don't agree with. Doesn't mean you mods have to edit it out. I actually thought the only things that should be edited out are those things which attract warn lvls. I have yet to receive a warn lvl in wg, but yet have had my posts edited out countless times. If you're going to edit so much.... Why don't you tell us what to post then? Like literally give us a transcript of what we 'should' post. --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:33 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | I totally agree with you Maths. Though it hasn't really happened to myself many times, I do see it happening often.  --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:36 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kingrascal31 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 42 Member No.: 612 Joined: May 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 20 | I agree, though as you can see, I dont post much... lol, but I do think its unfair, and happening quite a bit. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:36 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 | I totally agree with this maths but to lighten the mood i would like to show you all that Vince can actually love...  -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:37 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | Can't personally say I've seen this happening. I personally only edit out someone's post if I'm asked to do so by the author of the post, or if the post is a definate flame bait/flame directed towards a fellow member.  Imo this should be in PM to the editor in question & in a security forum rather than rants, but I suppose this fits the description of the forum EDIT: Unless they're the slideshow of me doing naughty things THAT I get angry about :@~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:37 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 |
It's a lie. I don't have emotions. Emotions are a sign of weakness. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:40 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | agreed, i think ive had like 5 posts in the last 2 weeks edited/deleted. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:49 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 |
im srry that i had to be the one to break it to the world -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:51 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | I agree Maths, but you must know that most of the time posts are edited because they may be offensive, inapropriate, or extremely negative. More slack should be given, but not too much. --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 04:47 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Cutting back on it a bit would be a good thing, but at the same time they are doing their jobs. I'd prefer more of a responsibility system: if a moderator edits or deletes a post they have to document the original post and send a PM to someone higher up (council, or select forum moderators chosen in advance). They take a look and if the action is "approved" they forward the PM (with a note) to the person who originally made the post. 1. This means moderators are being moderated. 2. Everyone is accountable; their names and actions are documented and reasoning presented. 3. If they don't think the edit/deletion is worth their time then they shouldn't be doing it in the first place. Rather than PMs this could be done on a moderator-specific forum page as well, with a new thread for each issue marked in the title: [Pending] and [Validated]. For large-scale issues a single thread could cover several posts made within the original thread being cleaned up. Example:
Then it gets validated, and a PM is sent to the poster. It won't take nearly as much time as it sounds tbh. This is pretty much how things work on a fansite forum I've been a moderator of for like a year now and it works really well. And just to be polite, if you move or hide a thread PLEASE let the person who made it know. I had this happen to me on our boards about a year ago and it really pissed me off after I spent like three hours writing a very expressive post just to have it disappear.  --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 05:17 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: karel Group: Emeritus Posts: 1021 Member No.: 57 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 89 | I've had posts edits out as well, at least we could get a warning or explanation of what was happening. -------------------- Sig? | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 05:21 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 |
That's an extremely good idea. Wayne ftw. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 05:28 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | I can't recall the last time I edited someone elses post.... Actually I can, it was a poll posted by mugger and I edited naughty pics but I dont really think this is directed at me.... --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 05:57 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | i have freedom of speech to tell you no u and well, mod can take things too far, but they do need to do it --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 10:00 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 |
I'm not sure about this method, but I hope council looks at it. TBH I've seen posts locked that had no flaming in them and only expressed how people felt. When alot of people seem to be expressing negatively about a WG member, leaders could do a 24 hour lock like I saw Abs do. Then maybe talk to the person that is upsetting everyone. Uncover what is happening and try to help the person involved. Sometimes getting to the core of the problem is better than simply covering it up. Freedom of Speech is a great right to us in the United States. People fight wars over this very type of issue. Mods are doing what they see to be a good thing. We have a large range of ages and backgrounds within the clan. What one of us might laugh at, someone else will be offended. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 02:29 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
Sounds like another way of dumping a boatload of work onto an already very depleated council. In my opinion it's not an idea that should be carried forwards. Instead, the focus of the improvements should be on the moderators themselves. The moderators must from this post take away the knowledge that editing member's posts when they are not deserved of being edited is wrong. Obviously different mods take different things as being offensive, so obviously there will never be a 'set' action to take for someone's post. Instead, every case is taken differently and appropriate action is taken. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader || | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 02:38 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I cant say this has really been happening. We'll edit posts if needed if its some sort of heavy flame towards another member that can cause trouble. Everyone in WG has freedom of speech up to a point -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:28 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 | Theres freedom of speech, then there is being an idiot and flame/flamebait everything breathing. --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:33 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
This has been brought up before and that's what we did, and eh ... we're here again.  -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 03:34 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58 | Yes, I agree. And zlaran -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow"  | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 05:27 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
How long ago? Long enough for a newer generation of tertiaries to be in 'office'?  If so, then it worked the first time, and so will work the second time,.Tbh i agree with BTO, I haven't seen this happening unless the member who's post is being edited is simply posting what they're posting to go out and hurt another member. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader || | ||||||||
Posted: August 15, 2008 06:08 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | No idea, I just remember it coming up last September before I left for like a year. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: August 22, 2008 10:37 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | I just want to add that I got told to stop debating an issue that one of the staff disagreed with about in IRC. He didn't like my opinion so yesterday the few of us talking about the issue basicly got told to shut up. When we didn't drop the issue but were calmly stating our opinions, it was apparent that he believed that he couldn't trust us to make good decisions. I said yet another thing he didn't like and was threatened with a warn lvl that could not be appealed. So be careful with what your opinions are in IRC, some staff will not think twice about giving you a warn lvl that can't be appealed as it was told to me. I still disagree with the opinion and actions that were done. We only have as much freedom of speech as we are allowed. If your seen as someone with an opposing opinion you may become a target. -------------------- Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~ | ||||||||
Posted: August 22, 2008 11:05 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Its a culture. Its part of the new "community". This will go away with time. If I see it happening the person responsible will be spoken to. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: August 22, 2008 12:49 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Boy, I'm screwed. Warn levels, here I come!!! -------------------- | ||||||||
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