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Posted: August 29, 2008 11:03 am  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286    | I was holding a tank practice today. The idea of it was hard, but it was an effective way to practice binding + attacking straight after. What I found hard was the amount of people that didn't shut up. I was clearly explaining how to do it, and pairing people up. Do you honestly need to talk? This comes to the main point. If we say shut up in a war/tank practice, you shut up. Its not like a castle wars event where you can talk + such. We're giving out instructions, its important. I myself find tank practices boring, but I do it for the newer members who may need the practice. Do NOT make life harder by being somebody annoying who can't shut up. I'm not trying to be your enemy here. I just want to get stuff done. In the future, if I say silence, I MEAN SILENCE! Just don't talk and things are more efficient. I will start handing out warning lvls in wars if this becomes a problem. I'm not trying to discourage you from coming, its just that, its so hard to organize a clan if you're all spamming shit. Sure we have community, but embrace in that stuff after we win the war. If you've read down to this point, thank you. Just don't make our life hard, and we'll be much friendlier. If you don't believe me, try talking in the next war after I say silence. You'll be on 20% warn faster than you can say "wut"  --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 11:06 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | The point of the practice session was to teach you all how to war more effectively and maths really had to struggle to help you all in this event because he was NOT getting the respect he deserves. Come on guys, we're here to help you! ~George  --------------------    | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 11:06 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Flippie||Afk Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1708 Member No.: 55 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | yea, i noticed it too, they were talking when you were explaining the event, and in the end, they didnt knew who their partner was  it annoys me from time to time, but sometimes im a sinner too  -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/ZitherBand Support my Friends!  | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 11:14 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | Wut? On a more serious note, maths is right, have you ever tried arranging like 25 people...when there all talking...Impossible. Because they cant hear you. Its not that hard to be quiet guys..Come on.. --------------------    | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 12:02 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | Kinda know how you feel, I've lead events that had the same issues as this before joining WG and I know how annoying it can be  --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 12:17 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | If I ever get to come to another war I'll be zipping my lip. I usually only spam when told to or pms. <333 working on ts to be able to come --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 12:34 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Warn level??? Come on. Is that your only recourse because you have the power to do so? Give me a fricken break. Warn levels should be for forum abuse ONLY, not to use as a punishment tool for something that happens in game. You want to punish people for what they do out in game, then punish them with something in game...like: dismissing them from the event, adding required events to make the next level within the clan, not allowing them to participate in "fun" events or drop parties, or in severe cases, demote them. Back in the day, if we were on a raid and people continued to misbehave and not be quiet, the clan would kill THEM. Not saying that I agree with that at all...killing our own is something we shouldn't get in the habit of doing, but it shows that we handled things out where the offense took place. Get a grip on your event and EARN the respect and admiration from those of us who attend these events and perhaps things might go a little better. -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 12:45 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 |
Its not like we can kill them nowadays. That was a raid. We don't have them anymore. If you remember rick I was on those raids too. I saw people that were asked to leave. The law was laid down. This is exactly what I'm doing in this post. Rick, there used to be rules in place that if you talked after a certain lvl in wildy (I think 30), then you would be asked to leave etc, maybe even a warn lvl. Sure this made people be quiet cause there was always a chance of a whip or something in p2p. Nobody wanted to miss out on that chance. However here I am, in f2p, none of us have anything to gain. So I am laying down the law here rick. When the new pvp worlds come out, it might revert back to old style. Which would be much more favorable. -------------------- "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~ | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 12:50 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 | I was epic tank  --------------------  | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 12:52 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 | Actually wait rick hold up. When you raided under somebody, you thought they were cool, and you respected them. That is because you knew hardly anything and the wildy might have been scary, cause you could lose all your stuff. Now since you think you're top dog, you couldn't care for anybody who comes after you. Those raid leaders you were under laid down the law. No speaking after lvl 30 wildy. Resulted in kick from event or warn lvl in serious case. This is exactly what I'm doing here. Don't you dare judge me for putting down my foot. Cause those people you admired did the same thing. Except they're not around no more and you're hurting or w/e. This causes you to have a go at everything new leaders do. -------------------- "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~ | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 01:01 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 | Use TeamSpeak? --------------------    | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 01:43 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | SO you're completely nice in one post and a complete dick in another. THAT is exactly what I"m talking about. EARN your respect you whiny little brat. For reference though, the only person I ever raided under was Gene himself. I was a raid leader back in the day myself so I know what you're going through. I was just saying that giving people warning levels on the forums for something they do in game is just plain stupid. The people that I, so called, admired, handed out punishments that fit the crimes. You're not!!!! Bottom line. -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 01:54 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | And once again a serious topic that is designed to help members. Turns into a complete drama topic. Of course... -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 01:55 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Yeah, just remember....I made a SUGGESTION. It was YOUR leader who turned it into drama. And just HOW is this topic HELPING??? It's nothing more than a threat. It wasn't made to assist. -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 02:04 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 | Rick you made a serious grammatical error in your second last post.
/me slaps Rick_Hamm with a trout -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 02:15 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: karel Group: Emeritus Posts: 1021 Member No.: 57 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 89 |
Respect doesn't have to be earned, not here, it wouldn't help at all. Leaders would have earned the respect they deserve by getting to their position. -------------------- Sig? | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 02:37 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | I'm sorry Rick but I am going to have to agree with Maths here that a forum warning is the correct way to deal with it. Sadly unlike the older days of Raiding and warring with WG, in game leaders are very restricted in what they can actuallly do to punish somone if they are misbehaving at an event, the only option I can think of off the top of my head is a kick from the CC and missing out on 1 attendance point. Hardly a massive loss is it? Back before the removal of the wilderness being kicked from a raid was a big deal because you lost out on potential profit, espescially in the successful P2p raiding days. And previously serious offences could be punished by the clan attacking you, and inevitably the loss of your rune set, these days punishments like that are now impossible to give out and as a result raid leaders such as Maths are forced to look at other methods with which to punish people for misbehaviour at Wg events. Is there any other options you guys can think of other than a 20% forum warn as a suitable punishment for disrespect at an event? --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 02:43 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Flippie||Afk Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1708 Member No.: 55 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | well, there arnt really other ways to punish people. But if Maths say its this way, you know thats it, and you listen to them, because you know you'll get a warning lvl if you dont listen.. So, whats the problem guys? -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/ZitherBand Support my Friends! | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 03:03 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | It doesn't matter that it's a "ridiculous punishment." It's a "ridiculous offense" if you ask me. There's no reason people SHOULDN'T be listening to leaders. If you find the warn level unnecessary for the way of punishment, listen to your leaders and you won't get the warn level. Problem solved. --------------------  | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 03:05 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Yeah, make the punishment fit the crime. What is it going to show someone about behaving on raids, when all they get is a forum warning? Forum warnings don't mean a thing. So they get a forum warning, does that really show them something? I mean, I got a forum warning. Granted I asked for it, but it still don't mean a thing to me. It's not prohibiting me from doing anything, is it? That's all I was getting at. -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 03:05 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 |
one forum warning means nothing. But as you progress, and get many, it results in a ban from the forums. So get your multiple warn levels and you can't attend events anymore because you have no way of finding out when they are, etc. -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 03:16 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Well....whatever.  -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 08:59 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 | What else can I do though rick? You can't lose sets. Missing out on an event is hardly punishment. -------------------- "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~ | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 10:21 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | I really DO understand your dilemma Maths. You think I don't, but in fact, I do, however, I don't think that forum warnings are the answer. Perhaps if you wanted to get with me sometime and we can brainstorm or something, instead of bickering, we can try to find something that's more suitable. -------------------- | ||
Posted: August 29, 2008 10:45 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 | It's called, Clan Chat> Kick Player. They can't rejoin CC for like 30 mins. No need for warnings on forums. -------------------- | ||
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