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Posted: September 4, 2008 10:08 pm  | |||||
     IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6    | Got some mixed feelings on this one. Should I stay and continue to be the ridicule of certain members, to be the scapegoat for when things go awry, to be cornered into a discussion that may lead to flaming, to take the fall for everything that's gone and is going wrong? Should I stay knowing there are people here who pass judgements without even trying to get to know me? Sure my reputation may have preceded me and people took what they heard and drew their own conclusions, not giving me the chance that they would give most people but they were way wrong. Mugsy, I used to think you were a prick and a half...first impression. What made me open my eyes was when you took the time to make sure I was getting the entire war training exercise. You stopped the event to be certain I had no questions or wasn't getting confused. You took the time to help me when you knew I wasn't very adept...and for that, I thank you. My opinion of you has turned 360 degrees (or is it 180?  )and I hope now I can consider you a friend. You're not half bad.  Robert, we got off on the wrong foot too. You made an error in IRC and it's understandable, it happens, we're human, but after the reinstatement, we've spoken a few times and a new respect was found. You'll get the hang of being a leader Robert, I know you will. Don't be in too big a hurry. If you need some pointers or want to borrow the "Hammer", just let me know. I'll have to get it back from Tabs though. You see, I'm not that bad of a person, I'm just more outspoken with a "I don't give a shit" attitude. People that knew me before, back in the day, know that I'm not the same person today. I have maintained quite well around here, I think, contrary to what you may read or hear. The so called "flames" and "being rude" warning levels I received are laughable at best...and yes, it pisses me off that once again, I'm the one who has to deal with the immaturity. I tried to do what I was instructed to do and that was to tell a leader what was going on...I TRIED to do that, however, nothing was done. Gene, even YOU said that you'd have a talk with someone for me and yet, you backstabbed me. I saw that conversation and was appalled to see what you had to say. Whether you agreed with this person or not, it was your JOB to say something. All you did was badmouth me behind my back. Why not just kick me in the nuts next time, it would have hurt less. I thought we were beyond all the backstabbing bullshit, but who am I kidding? WG is WG...nothing changes. Which brings me back to my original question....Should I stay and continue this fiasco in the hopes that it DOES change, or do I say to hell with it again, let people win, and continue on the RS journey solo? I'll post my answer tomorrow with an edit to this post. I welcome any and all comments, or whatever. I opened the lid, now's your chance. I'm sure you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:15 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Count me as one that wants you to stay. So some family has no love. We won't be putting them out on the street. We would have to find a suitable nursing home and visit once a month. You get the idea. Rick is family and I love him. Don't change to much we need a bad guy around to have someone to complain about and you being an ex marine can handle it. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:21 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 | Its true, and I agree 100% that people don't get to know you. First impressions are everything though. A lot of times you'll joke around with a friend, and (sarcastically) flame them. Some people don't see the sarcasm, and immediately think of you as a bad person. In fact, Rick is very easy to get along with, just don't stick to that first impression bullshit. Please stay Rick. ~You're not-so-great mentor, but great friend Sonix <33 --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:22 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | I am a man of few words: Stay. -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:25 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Vephy Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 6186 Member No.: 813 Joined: June 10, 2008 Total Events Attended: 478 | Please stay you add personality to this place and i find your rants amusing  You seem be good guy if anything your fault here is probably being a little stubborn at times. Please stay and prove yourself here, I believe you can have fun here still --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:28 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 |
+1. I don't really know what to say Rick. I'm not very creative. I guess I'm gonna say I somewhat agree with you. I have the same kind of attitude you do, just not to that extent. You're a great guy, and nobody would possibly know that unless they got to know you. And in this day and age, few people actually WANT to get to know other people. Personally, I like having friends, and then close-friends. Irl and on RS. The close friends are who I go crying to when I have problems, etc. And the friends are people who I just enjoy talking to. Honestly Rick, even though I haven't known you for too long, I consider you a close friend. So STAY. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:30 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
That's what I said when you came, and it's the same thing I'll say now. If you want to stay, stay. If you want to go, go. It's YOUR responsibility to make this decision, and the only reason for asking others to make it for you is to have scapegoats of your own down the road. That's what happened with NT and I'm not interested in letting it happen again.
Déjà vu? I love you to death Rick, but PLEASE snap out of this righteous indignation cycle. If you just want to know if there are people here interested in backing you up, you shouldn't have to ask. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:30 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 |
 --------------------  LOLPNS  Perm banned. | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:38 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Rick, you have a lot to do here. Stay. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:52 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | Im one of these people rick, that take your, how shall i put it, humour. In a pinch of salt kind of way. Cause i think your just truely brilliant. Some of your post's just make me laugh so hard IRL. Its true that some people dont like you, but thats because they haven't taken the time out of there perfect worlds, just to say hello or how are you today?. The people that do judge a book by its cover, need to stop being so shallow. Just because you have 'heard' what Rick was like in the past, doesn't mean you automatically have something against him. If you really dont like him, for your own reason, not something you heard on the grapevine from your mothers brothers sisters boyfriends dogs goldfish. THEN DONT TALK TO HIM. DONT READ HIS POSTS. Just completely dis-regard anything he says or does, and then you have nothing to complain about. Just my 2 pence. Stay ilu No I really do Or do I? Ok this is silly Night all Sleep well Take care. Lee. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:54 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | Rick, I am like Eregion. Do what you want to do. You have tried so hard to get back into Wg, you did it to make a difference. You have the will to overcome these obstacles. If you leave let it be for the right reasons, because you want to go. Don't leave because you were forced out. Which ever way you decide I will always be behind you 100 percent. I have enjoyed getting to know you again. Old friends to the end. Love Jenny --------------------   | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:56 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | rick, I respect you...but your "Don't give a shit attitude"...idk I just think you should change it.... --------------------  | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 10:58 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Wayne, I'm not asking anyone to make decisions for me. I don't NEED people to do that. I'm my own person and I always have. I'm not like the countless many who thrive on having people dictate their life both in and out of the game. I posted a thread in Hello/Goodbye because I don't know what I'm going to do yet...but I wanted to let people know where I stand. Is there a big problem with this? I gave people the opportunity, not to talk me into staying, not to post on my behalf, not to badmouth me, not to flame or bait me, but to get whatever is bothering them off their chest. Who knows, perhaps it may even lead to a discussion as to what they do or don't like and wounds can heal. It doesn't matter what anyone says and while I appreciate the votes of confidence in some of the members here, it will hardly persuade me to continue should I choose not to. I don't need scapegoats. I take responsiblity for my own actions, however, that don't seem to be the case for everyone here. There is no deja vu at all Wayne. I did EXACTLY what I was supposed to do in situations where it was favorable for a flame war. I went to people and talked about it, even went so far as to beg that things change and what did I get in return? Ignored and backstabbed. Deja vu has nothing to do with it. Kiwi, I haven't changed in almost 40 years. I seriously doubt there's any room for change in that department. That said though, I HAVE calmed quite a bit from the way I used to be. I would have flamed Wayne to hell and back for his comments above and you for yours, not to mention the countless others that have crossed paths with me lately, but have I? Not in the sense that you think. Yes, I told one person to shut the fuck up but what else is there to do when you've taken all other avenues but this person insists on taking pot shots? Jen, no worries there. In the end I'll do what is right for me. I can't think about the clan anymore because the clan only thinks for themselves and not necessarily the members in it. It's a shame, it really is. What is the right reason? I guess that's another question I need to ask myself. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 11:26 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
yes, I will give you that. You have calmed down.....and that is why I was cool with you coming back, because I saw that. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 11:35 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Don't get me wrong, I'm just being blunt. If I knew what to do to help, I'd be doing it. I really hope you don't go, but at the same time I don't want you to stay if you want to go. Just let me know if there's anything I can be doing, seriously. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 11:40 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 |
Rick you know what im going to stay. We cant sell our pornos if your not here. Look rick i know you and im really glad i befreinded you. Just its your choice and you know youd make me and a ton of other people happy staying. -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011  http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 11:45 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | I know Omar and I thank you...but will it make ME happy staying...that's the problem I'm having with this entire thing right now. I honestly don't know anymore. Please, believe me when I say, this isn't a call to arms, this is nothing more than one person showing the entire clan what he's made of....truly made of, not the perceptions that were made before he showed up. I'm honestly confused. I'm sorry if I caused more "drama" with this post. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 4, 2008 11:51 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 |
I am also a man of few words: Cheesecake. But seriously, stay.  --------------------  Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 12:11 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | Rick, we have our difference's but as long as our roads don't cross more than once then i'm with you staying. Alot of people like you and when i got to know you i grew to like you too. I know we have had our differences but im with everyone else here. Stay -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer   | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 12:20 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Havochaha Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2257 Member No.: 106 Joined: January 5, 2008 Total Events Attended: 113 |
If thats what your asking yourself if your happy here then just think about these few things. Do you look forward to logging into the forums/irc? Do you enjoy and try to stay as long as you can on forums/irc? Do The people here fill you with joy when you talk to them? -------------------- Havochaha Perm Banned Oct 1st 2009 Havochaha Unbanned February 13th 2011 http://www.erepublik.com/en/referrer/Omar+Dandan How to Make 10m an Hour | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 12:49 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 |
To answer your questions Omar... 1. I actually DO look forward to logging into the forums and IRC. However, some people believe that if I'm logged into the forums or IRC and am playing my music, that I should be logged in and playing RS. This is a problem for me. I don't think I should HAVE to do anything I don't want to do. If I just want to hang with my friends in the IRC and play my music, then I should be able to. NOBODY has the right to say, well if you're online, you should be playing RS. That's just ridiculous. 2. I'm on the forums and IRC as long as possible and I'm always having fun on them, however, it seems as if some people don't want to see me having fun or making new friends here. It's almost as if people are threatened by me being around, that they're losing their "edge" so to speak. 3. Almost everyone I've met has, in fact, made me feel welcome and wanted, in the same breath, there are others who are making my time in here nothing but hell. They're always on me about my posts, even when I don't do anything wrong but post a joke or something. People aren't treated the same around here and it has nothing to do with "old school" or "new school". Simon, your post really surprised me. I'm really trying to remain neutral through all this stuff, you have to believe that. Who knows, perhaps we can see past all the bullshit and start over again. I'm not totally against that, you know. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 12:56 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
So do i, Your trying your hardest and succeding. I believe that. I hope in the future we can put aside those difference and get along. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 01:12 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I dont think me and you have gotten along very well. It could have been better, but I'd want you to stay. You're a very respectable guy. From looking at the conversations on #WG, I can tell that you enjoy being with WG, and WG enjoys your presence. You're a funny guy, and you are very straightfoward and you dont take shit when it comes your way. However, I'm going to try to be honest. Im not saying this to offend you, but tell you what I think. I've seen from posts, conversations etc that sometimes you can be very offensive. I don't know if you intend to do it or it's become just natural, but it still happens. Maybe its just party your personality, I dont know. People probably feel repelled by this. As for Gene "backstabbing" you, he was just doing what he had to do. You know that if it was any other trial members that said those things, Lordy would do the same thing. WG has been under many changes and troubles in the past couple of months, and Lordy wants to prevent it from hurting us. IMO, you should stay. You know that people here appreciate you. You could try watching what you say, maybe put a safety on the "hammer" Its up to you, but I know many people will want you to stay. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 02:50 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | I owe you an apology Rick, I'm not exactly sure how I managed to misread this thread so completely at first. I really hope you stay.  -------------------- | ||||
Posted: September 5, 2008 04:31 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Bam Group: Emeritus Posts: 2762 Member No.: 131 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 111 | you know my answer --------------------  | ||||
What to do, what to do.