Of course times would be worked out. I mean, you obviously can't please everyone, which is why you still have the ability to start a raid on your own with some friends or something, or host your own event with regards to the current rules we've got in place.

I'm just saying that if you and every other Aussie knew there was a raid on Friday and Saturday at 8 PM your time, it would create structure, and possible friendships.

Of course P2P and F2P would be rotated. Or again, have certain days be P2P and others F2P like before.

I'm not saying have a raid every single day, because that would kind of limit the ability of the rest of the members to host their own events like that. Maybe start with 1 or 2 days during the week and one on each weekend, have one of the weekday raids be F2P, the other P2P and the same with the two weekend raids. The Aussies can, and should have their own times that way they're not pushed out.

I mean, if you have work every day from 9AM - 5 PM and the raid starts at 4 PM, you'd miss it, but then that's only one raid, and you've still got the ability to host your own, and possibly have it made into a weekly raid.

I mean, on one level this is just a kind of community building fun event where you know people will be there. On another level, it's a kind of dedication determining 'event'. You see if people are willing to give up that time *every* week to do something with the rest of the clan, rather than pursue their goals. Above all else, it's just fun.
 
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That the thing, once the PvP Worlds are released, we'll be ready. We'll have already been working with fixed times, which could be changed when the worlds come out, but the idea is that we'd have practice with weekly fighting that everyone in the entire clan would expect every single week.

Sure, we don't have to call them raids, but just imagine the confusion.

We start calling them CWA FFA Events now until the PvP Worlds are released. Let's assume they're released in November, roughly 2 months away (I'm assuming mid-late November). We then change and start calling them raids, because we are reading the RPKers after all. People will start asking "Where did the CWA FFA Events go?", "What are raids?", "Are they at the same time, are there going to be conflicts?", "Are they going to be weekly or just random events?"

I mean, this way by calling them raids from the start, we eliminate the confusion that would occur later. We start getting into the habit having this event every *insert day of the week here* at *insert time here*. The Raid Leaders get used to having these events to prepare for, and as do the other members. People will know that if there is a P2P Raid every Tuesday, that they should change their spellbook to Ancients the night before, rather than run around making the change and then having to catch up.
 
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That the thing, once the PvP Worlds are released, we'll be ready. We'll have already been working with fixed times, which could be changed when the worlds come out, but the idea is that we'd have practice with weekly fighting that everyone in the entire clan would expect every single week.

Sure, we don't have to call them raids, but just imagine the confusion.

We start calling them CWA FFA Events now until the PvP Worlds are released. Let's assume they're released in November, roughly 2 months away (I'm assuming mid-late November). We then change and start calling them raids, because we are reading the RPKers after all. People will start asking "Where did the CWA FFA Events go?", "What are raids?", "Are they at the same time, are there going to be conflicts?", "Are they going to be weekly or just random events?"

I mean, this way by calling them raids from the start, we eliminate the confusion that would occur later. We start getting into the habit having this event every *insert day of the week here* at *insert time here*. The Raid Leaders get used to having these events to prepare for, and as do the other members. People will know that if there is a P2P Raid every Tuesday, that they should change their spellbook to Ancients the night before, rather than run around making the change and then having to catch up.

Best start going to the dangerous FFA as well then, so members get used to losing rune.
 
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That the thing, once the PvP Worlds are released, we'll be ready. We'll have already been working with fixed times, which could be changed when the worlds come out, but the idea is that we'd have practice with weekly fighting that everyone in the entire clan would expect every single week.

Sure, we don't have to call them raids, but just imagine the confusion.

We start calling them CWA FFA Events now until the PvP Worlds are released. Let's assume they're released in November, roughly 2 months away (I'm assuming mid-late November). We then change and start calling them raids, because we are reading the RPKers after all. People will start asking "Where did the CWA FFA Events go?", "What are raids?", "Are they at the same time, are there going to be conflicts?", "Are they going to be weekly or just random events?"

I mean, this way by calling them raids from the start, we eliminate the confusion that would occur later. We start getting into the habit having this event every *insert day of the week here* at *insert time here*. The Raid Leaders get used to having these events to prepare for, and as do the other members. People will know that if there is a P2P Raid every Tuesday, that they should change their spellbook to Ancients the night before, rather than run around making the change and then having to catch up.

Best start going to the dangerous FFA as well then, so members get used to losing rune.

Look, if you don't like the idea, fine.

Like I've said, I'm not trying to make this come across as 100% the same as the raids we used to have.

You don't want to call them raids? Fine. Call them something else, I honestly couldn't care less. I just figured, might as well start doing something to prepare for the update that is going to come soon.

If you want to make some arguments that you randomly pulled out your ass for the sake of starting something, by all means, go ahead.

There's nothing to lose by doing this now. If at a very minimum, we get more experience fighting as a team. At most, we gain a sense of stability, organization and readiness. We'd know that there's something coming up every week at the same time. We wouldn't have to watch the Events Forum and look for *P2P CWA Event this Saturday* we'd just know that one would happen. We'd then prepare accordingly and work together well because we'd be with basically the same people over and over. We'd get very used to following orders. That's just the stuff we'd gain by just doing the damn event.

We'd also eliminate most, if not all problems when the update comes if we start calling them raids now. People wouldn't be confused. You can tell someone something is the same as something else, but if you give it a different name, they won't think of it as the same. Just take the classic "Coke" and "New Coke" example. The CocaCola Company decided to do away with the "Old Coke" and introduce the "New Coke" this resulted in a huge loss. They didn't change the taste, just the name, but it wasn't what people were used to. Why do you think there is the "Coke Classic"? There to make sure people know it's what they love. Obviously, a smooth transition isn't something that is high on your list of priorities, but fuck it, let's just hope that people don't get confused. Let's just rely on the assumption that it won;t happen that way. Let's wing it.

You want to be a sarcastic dumbass, fine go to the dangerous crater. Better yet, fuck the CWA, go BH. Remember, P2P BH need to be included also. No running either, because in the new update it's the entire world, not just some area known as the Wilderness. Make sure people bring the right gear, no welfare stuff. Oh wait, that wouldn't work because you can't pile people. but the dangerous crater wouldn't work either because you don't get loot. Hmm, fuck practice then. Let's wing it.

To all Raid Leaders out there reading this, stop making war practice events. They don't simulate a real war - we're not fighting another clan.

Owen, you obviously don't really have that strong of an argument. You can argue that this wouldn't be a good simulation, but who said it would be the best thing since sliced bread? I didn't. You don't think calling them raids is a great idea? On what basis? We're not protecting the innocent? That may be true, but can you say with 100% certainty that everyone we killed back in the old Wilderness was a RPKer? Every single person with a skull was out there to kill random people? If you can make that claim, you're not bold, or even arrogant. You're just plain stupid. I'd like to make clear that I'm not calling him stupid (yet), just saying that if he can make this claim, then he would be.

Just point out to me where we, as a clan lose out by implementing this?

You really have no basis for making these oh so subtle, sarcastic remarks which are quite frankly very effective, because I'm sure I just gave you the response you wanted. Congratulations. I flamed you.
 
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Brilliant - it's not the same therefore not worth doing. I love it. You play any sports? Ever tell your coaches to just stop practicing? Why waste time. You don't know how the real game will be. You can use what you learned at practice, but who's to say it'll actually work?

You should call the guy that said practice made perfect, and tell him to shut the fuck up. He's got no idea what he's talking about. Practice doesn't even prepare you, so why waste the time.

Funny, the only thing you're able to come up with as a downside is "it's not eh same!" Again, all Raid Leaders out there, stop hosting War Practice events. They're useless and only accomplish one thing - they get people online.

I remember the raids. I remember getting more options at the spontaneous raids than the planned ones. Let me make this clear I NEVER SAID YOU COULDN'T HOST YOUR OWN RAIDS AND OR EVENTS.

You're obviously not reading this. Every single form of preparation is different from the real thing. If you take standardized tests, you're not answering the same questions while you're praciting, instead answering the same type of questions. You're basically saying, any form of preparation that isn't 100% accurate isn't worth doing. That's the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard.

I never said anything about increased attendance. I said it would create structure. Structure would create organization, not in fighting but in general.

You're making such a big deal out of I don't even know what. They're not the same so we shouldn't do it? It's a waste of time? Your arguments about my suggestion are thoughtless pieces of junk? Oh wait, that was meant to be a statement.
 
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