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Posted: September 22, 2008 01:50 amTop
   
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LOL! I was really pissed off last night wasn't I? You can ignore this, I'm staying. If the signatures persist I just won't read the forums while I'm at work is all. Sorry for the childish outburst. happy.gif

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You can kind of consider this me going on strike. If the strike fails, I'm willing to lose my job over it.

I'm just amazed at how immature you all have acted this evening. Both Tabs and I posted threads about the recent sexual theme in several signatures, politely asking for the situation to be dealt with. WE HAVE FUCKING REASONS FOR ASKING. My main reason is that I could be fired for reading our forums if those images aren't removed.

I don't lose anything from this. I'm not really interested in clan events, I put up with them because I'm interested in helping our community grow. But if you have to actually put a barely-clothed girl in your signature just to remind yourself how good it feels when you fuck yourself then I've already failed, and there's no reason to keep trying.

I am very, very angry right now. Not because these signatures exist but because evidently no one cares. I look at pornography several times a week, the images don't bother me. The fact that they're HERE bothers me. Besides the fact that every one of them is in violation of the forum rules and that generally you've all acted like assholes over this.

If the rules are enforced I'll stay. I would very much like to stay, but I'm more than willing to leave just to make the point that if you insist on acting like an asshole, you are going to piss people off. And expecting them to bend over backwards to accommodate your irresponsible sense of humor has consequences too.

If I haven't made my point clear, then I guess I'll be leaving in three days.

If I do, bye.

 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 01:56 amTop
   
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It's a silly reason to leave just because of a few members decided to put "half naked" girls in their signatures. I think you should just talk it over with a leader and make them enforce PG-13 signatures.

I hope you change your mind and stay but if you don't good luck in the future. sad.gif
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 02:03 amTop
   
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It's a silly reason to leave just because of a few members decided to put "half naked" girls in their signatures.
That's not why I'm leaving, although I don't blame you for thinking so since I expect most all the posts here will be by people who assume that it is.

I'm considering leaving because people here evidently think I'm more of an asshole for asking for the rules to be enforced than they are for not giving a shit about how their actions effect the rest of us. If that's how they feel about this issue then that's how they'll feel about every issue that surfaces on to infinity, and I'd rather not put up with it.

We're put through a pretty hefty graduation process in order to join this clan. Consider this my way of seeing whether or not this clan cares enough for me to stay in it. Is that immature? I guess so, but right now I'm pissed off enough to want to make this point, and this was the clearest way I could think of doing it. And I am willing to go through with it.

You can kind of consider this me going on strike. If the strike fails, I'm willing to lose my job over it.

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Let me put this another way. Let's say I'm renting a place near campus, with three roommates. The rules say you can't smoke in the house, but they don't care, and the landlord doesn't really mind either. Now factor in that I have asthma. I mention that smoking should be kept out of doors, and give reasons why that's the case (aka, it makes me sick). But because the landlord doesn't care, neither do they. So I say that if the smoking indoors doesn't stop, I'm leaving.

That brings us up to this thread, IMO. I REALLY WANT TO STRESS THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO BE AN IMMATURE BRAT! I've spent over an hour on this thread already trying to express my opinion the best way I know how, in a way that might possibly make it clear that something here has got to give. This isn't a threat at all, more like a ditch effort to get some serious attention to this topic. If it doesn't work, then I guess I'm screwed.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 02:11 amTop
   
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Wayne i understand where you are coming from truely i do. Your post is not just about the Signatures but people's attitudes towards this clan and what's inside. We have had topics turned to Spam because people don't care, i know that i posted what i did on your topic but i was only retaining on what i thought the rules are.

Wayne i would like you not to leave but i cannot change this decision for you, You have done so much for this clan without recognition and people need to buck up their idea's and make sure that not just the community by WG's reputation is upheld. Without the Community and it's members this clan turns to mush. People make think im ranting on about what i wrote in my old leaving topic but i am not. Wayne is here to help the community as he stated, and he cannot do this without help.

Wayne you are a good friend of mine and i will stick by your decision, i understand the reason's you think you may have to leave based upon but you will always remain a friend to many in this clan. I would like you to reconsider this and help Tidy up WG.
 
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Don't worry bro, i'm positive things will change.
I'm on your side in this matter, give it a day or two.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 02:25 amTop
   
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Same with me, I read these forums while at school. I could get ISS or even have this website blocked from school censors D:

Please just remove the signatures, no questions asked.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 02:40 amTop
   
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seriosuly guys just take it off no need for this drama
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 02:42 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Havochaha @ September 21, 2008 09:40 pm)
seriosuly guys just take it off no need for this drama

But drama is fun! And, evidently, it's the only thing some people will understand.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 03:25 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Havochaha @ September 22, 2008 02:40 am)
seriosuly guys just take it off no need for this drama

He could lose his job because of the content displayed on WG forums. Clearly he has a legitimate complaint that warrants the use of drama, given that the other more reasonable approaches he has tried have failed.

I hope it is fixed soon Eregion.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 04:07 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Eregion2 @ September 21, 2008 07:42 pm)
QUOTE (Havochaha @ September 21, 2008 09:40 pm)
seriosuly guys just take it off no need for this drama

But drama is fun! And, evidently, it's the only thing some people will understand.

That's kind of a retarded thing to say for someone who is "trying to help out the wg community."

Like I said when I took my sig off when I found out people were offended by it, i'll easily remove it rather then fight over it.

Now you going on "strike" over some topic you could of simply asked me to take off is childish.

The only reason it was still there is due to the fact I totally forgot about it, all you had to do was drop me a pm.

Anyway, the topic is gone now by my request and it something you could of done without some post cussing up a storm about.


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expecting them to bend over backwards to accommodate your irresponsible sense of humor has consequences too.

And yes, im sure im so irresponsible to post a joke only to try to cause someone to lose their job.


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Besides the fact that every one of them is in violation of the forum rules and that generally you've all acted like assholes over this.

Actually not one has been in violation of the forum rules:
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Signatures are allowed unless they are Racist/Offensive and/or show nude picture's within them.

Half naked women are ok im afraid.

Here is the link to Robbies topic: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...p?showtopic=873

PG-13+ Would be topless or bottomless+


Although the pics that were posted were as you could say, On the edge, They did not break any rule. And how have I acted like a asshole when I have done nothing but cooperate and take the sigs off first thing when I seen the post?

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given that the other more reasonable approaches he has tried have failed.

The most reasonable approach would of been to talk to the person directly, tell them the situation, and ask them to remove it.
It really doesn't get more simple then that.


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If it doesn't work, then I guess I'm screwed.

I'd happily quit before making a member leave. Say the word.

If its me begging for forgiveness to get you to change your mind, don't hold your breath.

Im sorry you were offended but im not going to kiss your ass over something like this.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 04:08 amTop
   
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It is a very true fact that you should not have to be afraid of losing your job over a picture someone has posted on these forums.
I sincerely hope you stay because you are a valued member of the community.
I know for a fact that if the people knew there was a problem they would have no hesitation about changing or removing the sigs in question.
In a few cases it was the presentation that was the upsetting factor. There is a right way and a wrong way to ask someone to remove something.
Public humiliation is not the way to achieve that imo.
You are not being unreasonable in the fact that if you want to browse these forums you should have to be ready to throw yourself in front of the monitor for some pics.

I sincerely hope you will stay with us, because I love you loads.



 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 04:19 amTop
   


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So am I. I actually considered making a post very similar to this. I just don't have the eloquence to say what you have so well.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 04:28 amTop
   
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ok look this isnt really needed rob took off the sig and im sure the other people will we dont need people leaving right now wg is starting to go back up.
 
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Gotta love drama. 40% of the reason i love WG lol.
But honestly guys grow up.... WG's community isnt based on sexual themes. It has parts of it but be mature about it.... Dont go around showing something we know you kids cant get. Jks im keeding.
But seriously dont go around showing stuff like that. Some people here may get offended and if your a clan of community then respect your friends space and what they want. Its not hard to be a nice person to a friend
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 04:42 amTop
   
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QUOTE (Eregion2 @ September 21, 2008 08:50 pm)
I look at porn several times a week

idk but when i read that i burst out laughing


On a serious note, this happened to me except i was the one with the inappropriate sig, i know what your thinking "Sith your way to cool to have done something like this" but it was solved simply by a forum pm.
 
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QUOTE (Baconman81 @ September 22, 2008 01:56 am)
It's a silly reason to leave just because of a few members decided to put "half naked" girls in their signatures. I think you should just talk it over with a leader and make them enforce PG-13 signatures.

I hope you change your mind and stay but if you don't good luck in the future. sad.gif

He could loose his job over it.. If that was me, my clan would go before my clan any day. I hope this gets sorted out. I enjoy you being here Wayne.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 08:16 amTop
   
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Why are you looking at clan forums at work?
I thought you are s'posed to 'work' at work.

You should get in trouble at work if you're bludging + looking at clan forums.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 09:15 amTop
   
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Wow, a lot of talk over a few pictures, lol.

Sorry if my jokes in the topic made it seem as if I didn't care. I don't mind either way, and understand that such images could be a bad idea on public computers, and people who have kids (depending on the nature of the picture).

We obviously need a change in the rules again, because a girl in a bikini is well within PG-13. It needs to be decided how 'appropriate' the pictures must be, or we'll have the same trouble again. It'd be worth putting an explanation of why the rule is there, just so people know why they shouldn't do it.

This shouldn't be something to leave over, we're all in agreement.
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 10:29 amTop
   
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I don't think Wayne was talking only about that one picture. I got shown that picture in a PM on IRC and in that context it was funny. But I understand the unexpected feeling of finding stuff like that on the forum.

Wayne with the support I see in your thread, I believe it is already getting sorted. tighthug.gif
 
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QUOTE (Mathsnerd18 @ September 22, 2008 08:16 am)
Why are you looking at clan forums at work?
I thought you are s'posed to 'work' at work.

You should get in trouble at work if you're bludging + looking at clan forums.

While Maths technically is right, I'd find it hard to believe that you've never been browsing a website you weren't supposed to while in school/work.

Originally (I believe) the argument was that you parents/children/young siblings could see such pictures that they probably shouldn't see yet. But as we take it into the workplace, it does escalate to a certain level. From a legal standpoint, I don't think its possible for you to be fired if a website you view happens to contain a woman in a bikini. Then again, what do I know about the U.S. federal laws -.-.

Anyways I basically hate the fact that WG has to be so strict because everywhere else I go (such as other game forums I browse), people are open about everything. We don't need a sex forum to discuss issues like that, and if we do we don't get banned for it. I'm just used to openness, and I hate that I have to restrict myself while I'm on this board.

My final judgment... if it can make someone lose their job, is it really worth it?
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 10:43 amTop
   
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On a different note,

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Originally (I believe) the argument was that you parents/children/young siblings could see such pictures that they probably shouldn't see yet. But as we take it into the workplace, it does escalate to a certain level.


Completely understandable, but why would you be on the forum at the workplace anyway? Or is this just the lunch break we're talking about?
 
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Posted: September 22, 2008 11:23 amTop
   
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LOL! I was really pissed off last night wasn't I? You can ignore this, I'm staying. If the signatures persist I just won't read the forums while I'm at work is all. Sorry for the childish outburst. happy.gif
 
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Why are you looking at clan forums at work?
I thought you are s'posed to 'work' at work.

You should get in trouble at work if you're bludging + looking at clan forums.

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Completely understandable, but why would you be on the forum at the workplace anyway? Or is this just the lunch break we're talking about?
I'm actually allowed online, lol. I work at the campus library and all the actual "work" I have to do usually doesn't take more than an hour per shift. Besides that you're just sitting behind a desk answering questions and checking people out. As long as you're instantly responsive whenever someone comes up to ask you about something we can pretty much do whatever ... I was playing Boxhead for like an hour last Saturday (slowest day ever IMO; everyone's either sleeping in or in the middle of a hangover).
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Anyway, the topic is gone now by my request and it something you could of done without some post cussing up a storm about.

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Im sorry you were offended but im not going to kiss your ass over something like this.
GOOD! smile.gif It was my misunderstanding as well, the part I quoted (and removed, so I didn't actually get MYSELF fired since I'm at work right now) was posted after Tabs and I had posted our threads, which made it more of a slap in the face than a joke. But it wasn't, and I obviously wasn't 110% level-headed last evening.

So, I owe you an apology. Sorry I acted like a complete moron. sad.gif
 
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Lol, that was a pretty rapid turn-around wayne =p

But yeah, I see what you mean. A lot of people don't even use the librarian =D And they're always on the computer doing something, now we know what hash.png

I had almost the exact same thing working in the control centre at the irish jamboree this summer (about 13,000 people there). You don't have to do anything unless someone radio's in (once you've done all the paperwork of outstanding issues, and talken to whoever you need to). A lot of the time was spent checking emails, reading books, talking to people etc. We even had a pinball tornament gonig between like 10 of us. On the night shift, when nothing happens, we were watching iron man and randomly talking to the fire patrol hash.png But yeah, you always need to be listening out for the radio and respond, cos its usually an emergency.
 
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QUOTE (Eregion2 @ September 22, 2008 04:35 am)
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Why are you looking at clan forums at work?
I thought you are s'posed to 'work' at work.

You should get in trouble at work if you're bludging + looking at clan forums.

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Completely understandable, but why would you be on the forum at the workplace anyway? Or is this just the lunch break we're talking about?
I'm actually allowed online, lol. I work at the campus library and all the actual "work" I have to do usually doesn't take more than an hour per shift. Besides that you're just sitting behind a desk answering questions and checking people out. As long as you're instantly responsive whenever someone comes up to ask you about something we can pretty much do whatever ... I was playing Boxhead for like an hour last Saturday (slowest day ever IMO; everyone's either sleeping in or in the middle of a hangover).
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Anyway, the topic is gone now by my request and it something you could of done without some post cussing up a storm about.

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Im sorry you were offended but im not going to kiss your ass over something like this.
GOOD! smile.gif It was my misunderstanding as well, the part I quoted (and removed, so I didn't actually get MYSELF fired since I'm at work right now) was posted after Tabs and I had posted our threads, which made it more of a slap in the face than a joke. But it wasn't, and I obviously wasn't 110% level-headed last evening.

So, I owe you an apology. Sorry I acted like a complete moron. sad.gif

good, I still love you <3
 
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