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Posted: October 1, 2008 11:34 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Tnuac Group: Emeritus Posts: 1806 Member No.: 51 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 58    | Now I know there's loads of suggestions topics floating around recently and I'm sorry to add another on to it. But seeing as I'm about to go and possibly end an era, I want to spill out everything (or the majority of things) on my mind relating to suggestions for the clan, so I'm content there's no loose ends, and it just means my part's done in the whole scheme of things. (Plus, I really can't suppress the ex-council in me at times  )Its in 2 parts - the first is specific suggestions and the second is, well, my leaving message to the clan, giving my true opinion. 1) Individual suggestions (Most of these arose in my mind from the successful TS meeting the other night, thanks to george.) Assigned council member for suggestions - This is a matter that arose from the very useful ts meeting last night, and evil's active input. Simply, I'm bringing up the idea that you have a council member who's role is to review every single suggestion, reply to assure people its being reviewed, and condense information to propose it to the council + discuss it. Xena had this role once, and it worked very well. As someone said recently, some of the best suggestions come from some of the most unlikely people. Its vital they're looked over, responded to, and included in the whole scheme of things. Evil said he didnt like posting without giving a proper response, which is reasonable. However, we need someone who is prepared to give a brief but good comment on each. Runescape rules - We talked in some detail about this. As you hopefully saw, me and karl (who introduced the idea) came up with 3 categories of rules. 1) is banned immediately if caught 2) is keep it off our forums and irc 3) is we dont care, its jagex's problem, and its petty (like afking), in more detail. We figured that it may be over the top to publish it on the clan site + in the frontal forums, but we need the council's opinion on whether we will publish the different categories. If so, should it be in a topic which you can referr to from the main rules? Should there be a topic at all. The second part to this is that we appear to need to change the rule 'you must follow jagex rules'. Obviously we're not going to ban people for the petty things (like i mentioned before - giving away your name to a friend, walking away from the keyboard, advertising, etc), because its jagex's problem and a lot of the time, doesn't affect them. So do we mention that we will use discression? However as i think rick said before, does this compromise our reputation when seen from the outside? I think it just means we use common sense, but I need other people's opinions. Half ops - In the past, for the aussie timezone when no OPs or halfops were on, a trusted clan member was assigned halfop, just in case someone needed to be kicked or banned. In principal its simple enough, there are many people capable of holding the rank. However, it just might raise favouritism issues, if its given to a person's friend, or people just feel they are getting missed out? What do you think? Because its important to have an active op or halfop in there at all times. Council terms - Vote's very close, so I'll just have my say while im making the topic. I honestly think its pointless. Don't get too government-like. The leaders are naturally 'recycled' anyway - look how many past council we have! No one is immature enough to hog the spot if they're not pulling their weight, the longer someone is in, the more experience they have, if people are disliked by the members, they will unintentionally be bullied out anyway. I think its uneccesary, let it run its natural course and don't overcomplicate it. That's just my take. Required PK trip attendance - As lee very accurately pointed out, the final concensus on what to do about attendance of PK trips was 'umm err yeah', or something similar. It seems like we can't make up our mind what to do in light of the recent canundrum of the warrers being annoyed at skillers not going to wars, and skillers having good reasons for not going (although many do make the effort). I think its accepted that if you're online for a long-prep full-out war, you should definitely be there if online, and actively try to be on at that time. Short-preps are another matter. Some say 'if youre online, you should go', but others say they can do what they want, as long as they get the required attendance requirement. We need a concensus on how we're going to deal with it. If you're online, should you face a penalty for not going to a pk run-in? Does it depend on the preparation time? These are questions that need answering, before we get a divide running even further. 2) Overall suggestion Well yeah basically just want to give a small heads up for the future. Sounds vague, but I wouldn't be satisfied till I've done it. When there's so many annoying small issues going on, its easy to forget the bigger picture. When you're dealing with rules, punishments, victories, losses, and whatever else, never forget the underlying objective - to have fun. WG has gone strong for over 3 years, and the only way it survived was with an incredible community (and, of course, the incredible dedication lordy has put in). Sure, its had its fair share of politics and drama, but its the fun-searching attitude and friendly community that held us together over so many bumps. When you strip the clan's objectives down to the primitive minimum, its purpose is to make it enjoyable, to have good times and share it with your clanmates. People have different things which they have more fun at, so the simple solution is to accomodate for everyone. Give people free choice as much as you can without inconveniencing the clan as a whole. Have a wide range of events, and give people new exciting challenges. If you are a leader, do your best to listen to the people below you. Use your time wisely, and communicate with your team-mates. Don't feel as though you have to keep things hidden from the members. Always be honest about your activity, if you're having activity problems, don't wait until tension grows to let it out, be open. And most importantly, enjoy your leadership position. If often comes with stress, but if you do it with enthusiasm, it really raises the spirit of the clan. Don't be afraid to make changes as long as they're not detrimental. A changing clan means a living one, get the message across that WG is constantly adapting, and bringing in fresh ideas all the time. And whatever position you're in, keep an open mind. If you understand and appreciate someone else's view or opinion, it really cuts down on the pointless flame wars which both waste time, and unecessarily bring the spirit of the clan down. If you disagree with someone, calmly put your point across, and use it as a positive experience, as you can learn the other side of the story, and appreciate the whole picture a lot better. Its easy to always strive improvement but more often than not, when you take a step back a bit, you realise how well WG is actually doing, with a great community, good organisation, and turnouts which are much better than some occasions in the past. But of course, there's always room for improvement. All WG needs to improve is a diverse range of exciting events, perfect wilderness organisation, and a bit of secure recruitment. Its easy to make changes when you really put your mind to it. So yeah, always strive to try out new ideas to improve the future, but don't forget to appreciate what you've got in the present, and what challenges you've overcome in the past. And whatever the circumstance, make the most of what you've got. Cheers -------------------- ~Aetas: carpe diem quam minimum credula postero~ "Seize the day and place no trust in tomorrow"  | ||
Posted: October 1, 2008 11:45 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | Nice post, I agree with everything you said here
Yeah, if members don't want to come then the reputation goes down, a lot of people don't realize this though: Spend about one hour (Not even daily) in something you don't enjoy (PK'ing) for something you DO enjoy (WG's Community and reputation) Some people may not enjoy PvP and are only willing to help if it's skill related, and vice versa. This is (imo) wrong, because you're not in the old sectors where you represent your sector, you represent your clan as a whole, the skilling, the community, and the warring, if you help in all 3, then you've done a perfect job as a clan member. --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||
Posted: October 2, 2008 12:20 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 |
1. Assigned person to review suggestions and respond is good idea. 2. Alot of times now that school has started ops or half ops are not on as much. So it would be nice to have someone. Rarely though is it needed to kick or ban anyone when I've been on during it. 3. I agree about council terms. Letting it run its course does seem to work. 4. War and attendance. I'm not sure how all this will go down. Short prep seems a lil unfair to demand people to attend. But even I have been a bit annoyed when I hear people conplain about not having the perfect armor to come so they don't bother. They may have way better lvl then I do and still don't come cause of not wanting to buy armor? Well if we have long prep war and your online I think we need to try our best to attend. That doesn't mean we have to come to every single war or get punished though. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||
Posted: October 2, 2008 04:07 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Excellent post, but I have a somewhat unrelated question. You've already got Emeritus, but you say you're leaving?  Like, permanently? --------------------  | ||
Posted: October 2, 2008 07:58 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 |
Mike is going to University I think? Omg.... random post to say I read this mike --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||
Posted: October 2, 2008 09:40 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Pazenon Group: Emeritus Posts: 1477 Member No.: 33 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 79 | An incredible post, to say the least. You did a great job at pointing out the problems; which is basically the first step to do in order to solve something. -------------------- | ||
Posted: October 2, 2008 11:46 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | Assigned Council Member - I think the Council can pop in and out when needed, I'll happily do it. Runescape Rules - Eugene made a topic about it: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=6259 Halfops - Giving this out in the IRC...Hmm, I would say don't do it unless it's very necessary, we've not done it for way too long to start doing it now, the favouritism is too much. Council Terms - Just, No...Let Natural process do its thing, I agree. Required PK Trip Attendance - Hmm yes, I did state my opinion on it, on another topic... http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...indpost&p=80626 But yeah, we should extend it so that it is very clear. ~Abs --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||
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