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Posted: October 13, 2008 11:49 am  | |||||||
      IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305    | As we are having elections to our council I would like to help with the decision making proccess. If you have a forum post that shows an example of leadership style for any applicant, please post it here with your direction to why the post is a good example. Posting negative or positive is okay just no flaming people stick to facts please. All posts should have links in them to support your opinion. Any post without a link in it I would ask that it be removed from this thread. For an example something like this: http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...opic=6303\ In this thread you will see Ika has good ideas and is willing to step up and try to lead the clan in the right direction. Look at the date this is before council elections came out. He is sincere. http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=6100 This is a thread where Jenny supports stronger governing in IRC. http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=6540 In this Thread Pbplayer is demonstrating his insensitive to my feelings. I don't know how he would handle problems as council. But seems to be a good example of what not to do. I even asked in my post to not be flamed for my heart felt feelings. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:16 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Rachel, I would love to participate in this debate, however, my opinions and feelings don't amount to much around here anymore. I don't have any screeshots to support my findings, but rest assured, I'm probably going to be right about them nonetheless. IF you want me to run them down one by one, I probably could, but as I said, it would only be by what I've seen/heard and not by screenshots per se. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:17 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | ... And before you ask if that was necessary, it was. Thanks for making me look bad? This topic isn't really all that necessary. It's basically saying "Show why you're voting for x person and why you're not for the other" which is confidential. And I'm not insensitive to your feelings at all. I just speak my mind. Sorry if that hurt your feelings, but apparently, everything does. -.- EDIT: Also, in that topic, where the hell did I flame you? --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:37 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 |
If you guys are going to discuss this, I feel strongly that it should be through PMs or possibly on IRC with other people present depending on how you want to go about it, but not here.  This thread is an interesting idea, but I'm not sure how it could turn out to be constructive for the election, mostly because when people post anything they'll be preying on strengths and weaknesses and arguments will arise that will divide people against each other. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:41 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 | Guys, dont get into a fight over the forums. Atleast try to sort your differences out. It would be a good to see what other ideas the "future" council will propose --------------------  LOLPNS  Perm banned. | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:43 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Just because you are a high level war-monger doesn't mean you can go around shitting on the low levels. She saved your arse because she kept dieing giving you time to continue with the war. This post is relevant, it shows which people should be eligable for council, it seems that warring is the only thing this clan is heading towards. Go read through the topics that she posted and you replied then tell us that you are not shitting on the low levels. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer   | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:44 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | Excuse me? First of all Simon, I'm not a War-monger. I don't even fucking like Warring that much. So don't tell ME what I am. I wasn't shitting on her for being low leveled, I was telling her that she was hurting the clan more than she was helping and that I didn't understand why she was so upset about it. And she didn't save shit. I died my fair share of times as well. Surely her getting killed didn't prevent that at all. Unnecessary content removed ~Abs -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:46 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 | The intentions are well but it may not be necessary to do this  but if you all must, then it should be with a very open attitude, with good healthy (although could be provocative) fun.If you can't assure yourselves of this attitude, it is best, not to have this, which would have the adverse effects from the well intentions. GL. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama  | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:49 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 | -Pulls up a chair and starts eating popcorn- --------------------  The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011        | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:52 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
No popcorn here, but I do have barbecue flavored Lays and some Now and Later candies. Will edit in OT stuff:
What's funny is that now we're saying returning is hurting the clan. This is almost like being stuck between a rock and a hard place, except there is no lesser of these two evils because the outcome is the same. 1: If low levels attend a war at the beginning, die multiple times and decide to leave, they're shunned because they ditched the clan. They're seen as not as supportive. 2: Low levels go to the war as told, return as told and are now told to leave because they're hurting the clan. In each case the low level is hurting the clan. The only remaining option? Play the game you don't want to play it! FUN! Seriously, she should not be getting any of this shit from anyone. Unnecessary content removed ~Abs --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 02:57 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Nice attitude from one of the candidates. -.- Hmm, this may prove to be easier than I thought. Maybe I won't have to screenshot anything. Vince, I love ya and all but you really need to relax. I've seen/heard what you've said and I disagree wholeheartedly. I should be the last person you listen to when I say you should probably watch what you say to other people, however, I'm not running for Council now, am I? -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:11 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | I'm not even eligible. It doesn't matter to me. My application is a joke as far as others are concerned. It's just up there for others to read aimlessly. I don't even see why I'm on this topic. Regardless, I'm not going to watch what I say. This topic pissed me off, and my actions are showing you that. Oh well. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:30 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
She was asked to come and support the clan then forced to leave in a rude manner. She tries her damn hardest to help this clan with no respect for doing it. Be careful what you say about her, she has plenty of friends here. I agree with rick on this. David i also agree 100% with your post, Low levels are in a no win situation and will soon be forced to training combat, Runescape is supposed to be fun and WG is supposed to be a family, how does shunning the low levels make us a good family? It doesn't... but because WG want to win they turn Runescape into a chore such as "you must attend this war!". I have a screenshot of 2 members of WG threatening me because i was ill and did not show up. If people are forced to train combat when they are not warring people they will end up leaving completely. Do you really want this? -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:40 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dalejamesw Group: Banned Posts: -1280 Member No.: 14 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 222 | Seriously what has this Clan come to, your flaming eachother over Council Applications? This is the first time this has happend in my time in WG and to be honest its pretty pathetic I do disagree with this post, I don't really think its right to publically humliate an applicant on his/her weaknesses. It's a constant thing that happens in WG bickering and comments about eachother which bring the clan down as a whole. Vince I understand why your getting so angry, but theres no point lowering yourself to it. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:40 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Well Vince, perhaps you chose the wrong time for your little "joke." There is a right place and a wrong place, as well as a right time/wrong time and let's not mention the right way/wrong way to say things. I didn't think your joke was funny at all. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:42 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
This post is to pubically show one's concerns about the applicants... This happens in ever election. Look at the current Presidential elections, each party are showing their concerns about the other party. This post is relevant. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:46 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dalejamesw Group: Banned Posts: -1280 Member No.: 14 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 222 |
Yes and then we have people like you adding Coal into the Fire, sparking more things which I don't really think needs to be done. I don't see how the points brought up on this topic reflects on someones ability to be a good Leader. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:47 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | I believe it's relevant to the fact that newer members might not be privy to information that could sway their vote. Then again, it's nothing more than a popularity contest instead of who would best fit the job and get it done right. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:50 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Yingy Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2205 Member No.: 27 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
Well said Rick, Exactly what i was going to post. -------------------- Friend's Forver The Long Road Ahead - 91/99 Prayer | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:52 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 |
Make absolutely certain that you bring that to Gene and the rest of Council's attention when I apply for the next Council seat....kay? -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 03:52 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 |
It wasn't a joke, Rick. I wanted to apply for Council, but I wasn't eligible to. But I did it anyway. Thought it might show some drive or something, you know? Apparently not, it's just a "Haha, he applied and it doesn't even matter" kind of thing to other people. I had every intention of applying for Council before the guidelines were even written up, which is why I stuck to it. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 04:02 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | That makes little sense. Why would you go through the time to post an application for an office you couldn't run for? If you want to show people drive, do it in your posts, in IRC, in TS, in wars...that's where it counts the most. Most people will already know your enthusiasm and will vote accordingly from there. I can almost guarantee you that people will NOT make their decision based on their Council Application. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 04:06 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mistah_Vince Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2235 Member No.: 233 Joined: February 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 85 | Probably, but I did what I wanted to do. You can't control that. Nobody can. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 04:07 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | I think it's pretty obvious that what you've claimed this post to be, Rachel is not the case. This is quite obviously a way of you trying to get one up on Vince, and I must say I'm a little disappointed. It's public knowledge that you and Vince have had a tiff over the past few days, and this is just another way of you getting back at him, by trying to expose and exploit Vince's alleged weaknesses =\ I advise anyone who does in fact post on this topic to remember to be sensative at all times. People don't want to be publically humiliated, and to be honest they don't deserve to be publically humiliated either. People make mistakes, and it is not right AT ALL to exploit them for your own benefit. My 2 cents. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||||
Posted: October 13, 2008 04:19 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Cory|Melchior Group: Ex-Member Posts: 240 Member No.: 527 Joined: April 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 5 | In all fairness, I applied for council to regardless of my rank. It's not a lost cause, I truthfully wanted to be council too, however, I don't think it should be determined solely on rank. Alas, that's how it was, so I applied. If I honestly thought it would've been taken MORE into consideration, I would've heavily elaborated on what I said, but, I've come to the conclusion that it's probably not gonna drop to Higher Guardian +... Back on topic though... Really, this is not all Vince. When it comes down to it, this is how the whole clan runs, so stop pushing all of the clans issues on 1 or 2 people. This past month EVERYONE has been like this. One side versus the other. If you aren't at a war, you are a failure to the clan... or... if you show up, but don't do the best anyone could possible ever do, you're also a failure. Call me fucking crazy, but, I know what Vince is saying, and I'm probably the only one that does. He's not flaming rachel, and he's not against rachel. He's actually on her side... but, you see the word fuck, and everything goes to hell. Rachel tries her best, even at things she doesn't particularly enjoy. But hell, most of us try to do the same thing, and get rejected for doing so. She was apparently told to leave the war (I say apparently, because I wasn't there)... that's ridiculous seeing as how the point of the pkri is to return. Oh well, I suppose debating this is pointless, as it's just gonna lead to more repeating of the same things that have happened. This topic was a nice gesture, and a good idea in concept, but apparently we can't handle anything anymore. Just lock this thread, leaving it open is only going to allow this to continue further. If anyone wants to keep bringing this stuff up, do it privately, where we don't have to look at it. -------------------- Kingdom of Edgeville  | ||||||
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