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Posted: February 22, 2008 06:39 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | I'm thinking mostly of BoS here, but there's more to it. Look, I don't think you guys know how serious it is. Fighting with another clan is a BIG deal. It's a LOT more than just flaming. If we fight with another clan, that hate stays for a long time. It could last for years. A short list of clans that we've fought with, causing them to hate us: Adelais SE BoS Anarchy Fear (toward the end) RR (Luckily Mtoise was kind enough not to make a deal out of it) CL EoS RoT BK Other minor NH clans Collision Sabres That's off the top of my head. There willl be quite a few more on top of that. Most of those clans still hate us. The Collision one has died down a lot, and the Sabres, and RR... but traces remain. The others still have a lot of members who dislike us. Fighting with other clans is very costly. When you look at that list, it's a very influential part of the clan community. This hate can spread. A single fight will take a very long time to repair. Our hatred of Anarchy is about 4 yeard old now. It's never gone. While Anarchy doesn't even play RS nowadays, they STILL hate us. You have to understand everyone, fighting is harmful. All clans fight, but we have quite a list of anti-WG clans. I was expecting it to shrink. It's growing. (I am sticking this note in the mddle of my post for those who read it all. Please post below saying you have read and understood this post. Putting this message in the middle shows me who reads and who skims) I will be making reparations to our reputation in the upcoming weeks. THis will include apologies, perhaps an event or two. We have to show maturity. This directly affects our recruitment. With that many clans against us, our recruitment could diminish further. We can't afford that. Be on your best behaviour. WG knows better than to insult other clans. --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 06:44 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Zlat Group: Clan Friend Posts: 2781 Member No.: 9 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 60 | I have read and understood your post. I belive Sabres,RR,Col, Anarchy and EoS don't hate us that much anymore, well Anarchy died - Sabres are nice to me at least, havent talked to Col and RR much lately and EoS don't care about us. --------------------   | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 06:46 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | EoS has a thing against us stil. I'm thinking of several members on RSC. And yeah, I said Sabres, RR and Col are better, but there are still undertones. Anarchy hates us a lot. They didn't die. They switched to another game. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 06:46 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | I have read and understand this post. We for a long time have been one of the most honourable clans out there, fighting with other clans is pretty much the exact opposite of that. I know it's hard to keep your cool when the other clan starts it, heck I've even said some things I shouldn't have before, but let's just try our best to keep our respect and maturity up. -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 06:47 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Welcome back Gene  Btw BoS wasn't ENTIRELY our fault. You know Alec was trying to break oiff the alliance, second we did, they declare war? Lol? I have read and understood this postorz <3 Welcome back dude --------------------    | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 06:49 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | It's our fault for giving them a reason not to like us. They may have broken it off and started a lot, but they would have had a reason for that. Alliances don't just end for no reaso. On our side we could have seen to it that the wounds were healed. We didn't do that. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 06:54 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Pyro Blade26 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 782 Member No.: 84 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 64 | Even if we make apologies, 75% of the RS community is too immature to accept it. They will continue to hold a grudge against us. Worth a shot though. And yes, I read. --------------------     | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 06:54 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | They didn't make an effort to keep any events going. They rejected all out pleas for skill wars and allied events.... They weren't even meeting us half way.... -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 06:58 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
I don't think you understand. They'd have a reason to decline all that. They would probably meet us half way if we encouraged them to get their issues with us into the open. They were rejecting our events because events don't heal injuries, they just temporarily cover them up. BoS's dislike of us would have stemmed from somewhere, and we didn't make the effort to get it out in the open and try to heal it. I understand they didn't do anything either, but we are both equally responsible for the alliance falling. PS - I will be demanding perfection in terms of behaviour. I am setting very high standards for WG but they will be realistic. Maturity is something we should make sure the whole clan world admires us for. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 07:03 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | I agree with you, alliances don't fall apart over one thing. But apparently this one did. I tried to hang on to it, when they said it was over Lizzy and I had a long talk. I understand thier point of view. That is all that we need to do, is put ourselves in someone else's shoes for a bit. --------------------   | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 07:06 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Point taken Jenny. Now this is a lot to ask for. A bit more forgivenes and patience. I think just being generally nicer is what we need. I know there are a few members who are quick to defend their pride. That's great that they want to stand up for WG, but if you do it in a rude way, it will end up hurting us. We won't be seen as pussies for being nice. Try it. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 07:09 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | I read and understood your post. I also agree. I was just thinking the other day about how many clans and people in general don't like us and think we are pathetic. It's quite sad..I don't really see what we did to deserve it. I mean...no honor clans are getting more respect than us.. --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 08:08 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Guests Posts: Member No.: 0 Joined: January 1, 1970 Total Events Attended: 1 | We need to strike hard on those who puts WG in a bad light. People just need to grow up and respect other clans if they respect their own clan. People.. come on.. please.. Dallar -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 08:16 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 | Yeh, I read it. I don't bother flaming members. It effects all of tyhe clan and is a waste of energy. --------------------    | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 08:25 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | It's easy to say that, but when it happens, who remembers to practise it? We all know this is the right thing to do, but ask yourself, when the time comes, will you follow our code of honour? -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 08:49 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 |
Yes, Thats why I joined this clan, for the honour code. I have always tryed to be honour. I have occasionaly ran away when being piled many years ago. But no, not anymore. WG is what I am and everything that comes with it, no flaming etc, I will do it. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 09:12 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Gusmighster Group: Emeritus Posts: 1360 Member No.: 46 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | Yes, I read and understood. I haven't been around long enough to have seen all these enemies come about, but from what I have seen and heard about us with SE, and Fidelity, I know we aren't a great clan for friendly relationships. You just have to look on RSC to see we aren't the most liked clan in the world. I would love to have our reputation improved  --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 10:29 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Maths Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1855 Member No.: 54 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 286 | Yeah, I read + understood it. Reminds me a couple of weeks back when clucky was on the rsc topic about bos + us. I didn't flame him, even though he baited me. I didn't feel the need to go that low. --------------------  "Journeys are what brings us happiness, Not the destination." ~ Two time ex-raid leader of wg ~  | ||
Posted: February 22, 2008 11:22 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Groedius Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1556 Member No.: 99 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 256 | Hai (I am sticking this note in the mddle of my post for those who read it all. Please post below saying you have read and understood this post. Putting this message in the middle shows me who reads and who skims) So yeah i do think that this is a good idea and definitly good point about Anarchy and i myself have a more personal hatred with them. Anyhows we need to try give ourselfs the best community and try not to argue with other clans as when there members leave they will be less inclined to come to us as we are hated and others looking for clans will be like do not join them if they ask around --------------------   | ||
Posted: February 23, 2008 02:16 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | Yea our reputation is in bad shape. Its not only that other clans hate us, but that clans dont respect us -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||
Posted: February 23, 2008 02:35 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Mr Glennfase Group: Emeritus Posts: 3064 Member No.: 39 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 220 | Yes. This has been a problem and must be stopped. -------------------- That's Mr. Glennfase to you. Ex-Warlord/Council  | ||
Posted: February 23, 2008 04:24 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Pazenon Group: Emeritus Posts: 1477 Member No.: 33 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 79 | I have read and understood your post. We definitely should try to improve our reputation in the RS clan community. We're known there as the inactive pedophiles. -------------------- | ||
Posted: February 23, 2008 07:10 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | meh...this is why i never read posts like that anymore.....i dont have much self control at not flaming....hence i have a -4 on rsc.......so yes, i will TRY as hard as my self control can muster. --------------------  | ||
Posted: February 23, 2008 11:12 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Snowzak Group: Emeritus Posts: 1193 Member No.: 5 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 67 | I understand the reasoning. But if you're trying to solve our reputation problems with apologies, you may have some success, but won't get far. I'll explain: -We've had a different thinking mode than most of the clan community out there for a while... since the start in fact, we were aRpk, then the fact that we were singled out was emphasized by our "No Returning" so-called policy. Clans were more inclined to send little flames/baits at us, because they could. -On top of the fact we were singled out, we've developped a certain "pride". Which means that when we receive a small bait, we answer to defend our "morals" or ideas... But as humans dislike those who are different, and we are different, people start to despise us. -Thirdly, we often are "big mouths, no act", or we have a few people who give the impression that we are. We often provoke clans and don't back it up... The most recent example of this would be the SE Issue. The flaming done by those three reasons spreads among people who have little or not at all heard of us, thus giving us a bad reputation. Now that it is too widespread, there are only two possible things to do. One easy way out: change the clan (as in start fresh) One hard way out: change our behavior, recruit, win battles, show politeness, performance, dynamism, grow, be good and humble But that hard way out is extremely hard, as recruiting is failing, because of bad reputation. It's a vicious circle. --------------------  London RL Meeting attendee - Paris RL meeting attendee Joined WG in October 2005 - Original DG - Ex-Raid Leader Proud Council Member from October 21st 2007 to May 19th 2008 | ||
Posted: February 24, 2008 02:19 am | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | I've talked with Adelais, RoT, and BoS when I hang out in Triforce's channel and I haven't had any problems. Only time talked to RoT was their declaration on RAW on us.  I am sticking this note in the mddle of my post for those who read it all. Please post below saying you have read and understood this post. Putting this message in the middle shows me who reads and who skims -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
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