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Posted: November 9, 2008 09:11 pm  | |||
      IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8    | WG is a clan that raids/wars. I get that. I used to be really into it myself, and maybe I will be again sometime in the future. Something else WG is is a community, and we've been having more trouble recently towards balancing the two than we've had in a long time. But I believe what makes this clan so incredible is that people put forward the effort, so before we give up on it as a lost cause, I wanted to take one final stab at a comprehensive resolution. Emeritus: A member of the community who has access to their RuneScape account and has the ability to attend clan wars and maintain forum activity, but who cannot meet the full activity requirements or who no longer plays RuneScape regularly (exceptions not withstanding). Why does the Emeritus rank exist? It's because there are people who have contributed so much to our community that we want them to stick around, even when they can no longer contribute regularly to the clan when it comes to actual activity or attendance. As individuals, we have found them to be much, much more valuable than their pixelated proxies. Yes, I'm asking for a Skiller rank. I'm not asking for sectors! Just for a single, special rank so that some very, very special people in our community can remain here even when they'd rather sleep on a bed of hot coals rather than attend a PvP event. They'd be here, able to contribute wholeheartedly to the clan and its ideals, but would be exempt from raids and wars. The way this would work is that all other activity requirements would still apply. You'd still have to attend a minimum of one event a week, although I suppose the TS requirement could also be waved since there's no point in having it if you're not into PvP. Forum and IRC activity would still be required just as they are now. Beyond this, there's two general directions I think this could take. First: The rank could be strongly controlled by the council. You'd have to submit a written explanation of why you want to have the rank and the council reserves the right to deny it. This, along with the activity requirements still in place, could negate the possibility of this becoming a "welfare" rank for members who just don't care. They should either be getting their rear in gear or head for the door. It would also stop people from applying for the rank from the outside, meaning it would be a selective rank intended for current members who are strongly disinclined towards PvP. Second: There's a possibility that the rank could be included in the clan application process, and it would give a boost to WG by being able to say "We understand there are players out there who just can't stand PvP, and if you're willing we'd like to have you along for the ride anyway, because you're still good people and in WG we actually give a damn." This would most likely require somewhat more work and the construction of separate memberlists, but by keeping Skillers within a single clan structure and not branching into sectors I think it could still work rather smoothly. I'd really, really like to try and make this work. If you see any problems, or have a better idea, please, PLEASE mention it and hopefully we'll see if anything can be done, but I think that, right now, a new Skiller rank is a great way to preserve our community and still clearly define who we are and what we have always stood for. Thoughts? --------------------  | ||
Posted: November 9, 2008 09:16 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 7306 Member No.: 47 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 343 | My only comment would be, why only one event per week? If they want this rank it should be more since they exempt from pvp. There's absolutely no excuse then not to attend more events. If they're a skiller they should be attending these events. People who don't have this rank have to attend one event a week so why should it be less work for this other rank? -------------------- July 5, 2007 - June 27, 2011 | ||
Posted: November 9, 2008 09:24 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | I suppose that's a possibility, but I'd rather not see a penalty installed on members because they hold a different rank. There's no reason to expect them to have more time to devote to the game than anyone else, they just choose to invest the time they have in different kinds of activities. Also, unless someone in the council loves the idea and puts a considerable amount of time and effort into it, I doubt there'd be a possibility for advancement from the Skiller rank, which I think would be sacrifice enough. But increased activity requirements could be implemented, maybe a minimum of one event a week with at least six per month. -------------------- | ||
Posted: November 9, 2008 09:25 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
^^ +1 This could work, but really the solution is a lot more simple: awareness and a sense of responsibility. You dislike skilling, but you attend skilling events <- Good example of a member You dislike warring, but you attend wars/raids <- Good example of a member You dislike skilling, and will never ever attend a skilling event because you dislike them <- Worst example of a clan member, EVER. Your not doing what you promised to do in your application (Activity, and that includes ALL events) You dislike warring and will never attend a war/raid because you dislike them <- Worst example of a clan member, EVER. Your not doing what you promised to do in your application (Activity, and that includes ALL events) Skipping events one or two times is okay, we all need breaks. But when you skip them all the time, then you broke the contract (Your application, activity is required, remember?). If this happened in another clan, these people would have been kicked ages ago. We're really lucky this isn't the case here, but this extra friendliness is being abused so bad. Umm, back on topic xD, it can work, yeah. --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||
Posted: November 9, 2008 09:29 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | Several of these members though applied during the Sectors, and did not agree to PvP events. That's one of the main problems we're having. All told it's a bit unfair to expect them to "suck it up" and attend, that's what we've tried to do thus far and it's not working.  -------------------- | ||
Posted: November 9, 2008 09:30 pm | |||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | mmm, i know that this seems like a good idea, but last time, sectors failed epicly. lets not make the same mistake twice, and even if you do choose to do so, why seperate the clan? If we seperate the skilling and warring sides, we are pretty much making the arguing worse. thats telling john over there, "hey your a skiller, we dont want you at our raids" and thats saying to steve "hey why dont you go pk someone instead of cutting a tree with us" lets just leave it and not seperate the clan. hmm, actually, i remember watching a video in psychology about how a teacher seperated her class and made one side more superior, and they gave the other side alot of shit and the lower side started a fight because someone was saying stuff to him. but the day before that, they were best friends. So if we seperated the clan, who knows what it could do to WG's community. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||
Posted: November 9, 2008 09:33 pm | |||
| IRC Nickname: Wayne|Eregion2 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3087 Member No.: 156 Joined: January 25, 2008 Total Events Attended: 8 | That's what I didn't expect to be understood. I'm seriously trying very hard NOT to divide the clan. We'll be using the same forums, hanging out in the same IRC, doing EVERYTHING exactly the same as we are now except that some of just won't have to attend PvP events. That's it. I'm trying to recognize diversity, not make anyone more superior.  -------------------- | ||
Posted: November 10, 2008 12:24 am | |||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Well I could see it as an extension of the Emeritus ranked. A player like Tabs (Just using her for an example because it would fit perfectly) does not enjoy PvP events at all. She despises them and sleeps through them if she can. She requests the skiller rank, or however it will be named, and is accepted. When she is she is excused from PvP events, but maybe there should be a consequence as Elias said before. She could either use the time (not directly minute for minute, but still comparable effort) to recruit for the clan or to do forum work, since the member is more than likely a higher guardian+. EDIT: I believe the separation or induction of multiple memberlists only promotes the separation of members. I think it would be in WG's worst favour to do this. --------------------      | ||
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