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Posted: November 10, 2008 04:44 pm  | |||||||
     IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6    | I know Dale is a friend of alot of people in this clan, however, what he did as he was exiting the clan is unforgivable and should be punished. How? Maybe not allow him in our IRC...even the lobby, or perhaps adding him to the Hall of Shame. Leader or not, what he did upon leaving WG is unacceptable and he should face the consequences. For the record, I think Dale's a good kid and we were friends so don't think for one second I'm happy about this, however, no bias. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 04:56 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I agree. We should do something about this. We really can't just brush it aside, regardless of what Dale has done for the clan, and his connections with us. He really fucked us over regarding the war with SA. It's obvious he doesn't really care about us anymore, or at least not us as a clan, maybe individual people. I personally think he should get the Banned rank, firstly to show him that we won't just let this stuff happen even if his contributions to the clan while he was a part of it were great. Also, if it ever comes up in the clan world, we can say that we did something about it, and show that we're not without a backbone. He tarnished our reputation, humiliated us as a clan and basically threw us to the side like trash. We really can't and shouldn't accept that treatment. I like him as a person, but this is just to much. From someone who is so loved by this clan, to have him do this to us as he leaves, knowing we care about him says a lot about his loyalties. --------------------   | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 04:59 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Nice Colonel. I forgot to mention how this would look to the clan world if we did absolutely nothing to Dale, but punished those who followed HIS direction with regards to the whole SA fiasco. Dale needs to be dealt with guys...like it or not. I'm personally hoping for the Hall of Shame. What he did shows me that he never cared about WG, its members or its morals. He was in it for the rank and the rank only. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:09 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 | Dale is no longer a part of Wg. Anything to do with him is with DF. Read my post below before you make any other comments --------------------  LOLPNS  Perm banned. | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:10 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 | Big deal. He wasn't the only one that flamed. They apologized for their behaviour anyway. And Rick, he cared about Wg a hell of a lot more than you ever did. Don't even dare say he was in Wg for the rank only. Your attitude towards him disgusts me.
Gather evidence before you make idiotic posts like this. --------------------  | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:11 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 | He also didnt say that after the war. It was around 2 months ago, and even then that convo isnt all that was said. Theres more after that -------------------- LOLPNS Perm banned. | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:14 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Geoff, please take it somewhere else. You have no inkling what I've done for this clan...it's more than just about everyone here save for maybe 2 or 3 people...IF THAT. Your dedication to Dale is what disgusts me. He fucked up and now he should pay the price. I don't give a fuck if he posted it 3 years ago. Shit was done and now it's hit the fan and I'm holding Dale responsible until someone tells me otherwise. If you like Dale so much Geoff...go to DF and defend him there. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:15 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 | Your kind of attitude was the main reason for Dale leaving. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:16 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 | I may take you up on that offer. Even after all Dales done you cant use him as a scapegoat. As Elias said, why are we so bothered about stuff that happened before and focus on the future. -------------------- LOLPNS Perm banned. | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:17 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | MY attitude? lmao Surely you jest. Please Geoff, if that's all you got, you will probably not want to say another word. You're making yourself look foolish. If me voicing an opinion is in any way disturbing to people...too bad. Hey, you guys do what you got to do. I'm not telling you that you have to leave, I'm just saying...if defending Dale and his actions is more important to you than what he did to the clan...then maybe you shouldn't be here. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:20 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 | You can easily 'voice your opinion' without the harshness and accusations. Dale did it 2 months ago and you're saying that he should be in Hall of Shame? Surely you must be the one jesting. At least Dale went to the war. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:22 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Alright then, let's just let it stand. Two months ago? Pfft. He was only one of our leaders. At least he was representing us as a clan when he said those things, like leaders should do. As a leader, you're supposed to take care in what you say about other clans because it's always watched. I could say I hate DF but that would just be me, if Randy said the same thing, he is a representation of WG in a way I am not. He is elected by us to represent us, so we put our faith in him. If he says something like that, it's far...far worse. But I suppose that since other people did it, and they said sorry this time, it's all good. Right? I mean, who really cares anymore? Geoff, it doesn't matter if he wasn't the only one who flamed. The point is he did, and did so bearing the name and reputation of WG on his back. That is the point. It's not just a matter of him flaming, it him flaming and carrying WG along with him. Also, I don't know where Rick claims he has given more to WG than Dale? I suppose being one of the initial members and one of the people who held the clan together in its early phases doesn't really count for much though right? Nah, that was then this is now, he did his part and it's old, less valuable news. Dilz, he's not a part of WG now, but when those words were spoken, he was. If Dale were just a regular member, then it would be DF's problem, but he wasn't. He was our leader and so it remains WG's problem regardless of where Dale is. He could quit and people would still say "WG hates SA," not "Dalejamesw is against SA." You CAN'T think of this in terms of "Oh he flamed and needs to be punished." It's not that simple. Just the fact that Dale was a leader makes this incident that much more complicated. He can say sorry, and we can say sorry for his actions, but that doesn't mean we actually mean it. We have to show him that we're not just going to let him rip apart our reputation and we have to show the clan world that we are handling it. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:22 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | Prove to me that he did it 2 months ago. I don't think anyone can but if they can, I'd sure love to see it. The old addage comes into play here...no pic no proof. and I said HALL OF SHAME....not Fame. Colonel, I really do love you. lol These kids just don't get it. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:26 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 | Dale said he said it 2 months ago and is SA saying he didn't? No, they are not. You're just the one looking foolish now Rick. He should be in the Hall of Fame in my books. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:27 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
The person who provided the link said it was from many weeks ago over RSC during the debate. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:27 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 |
Proof enough? -------------------- LOLPNS Perm banned. | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:30 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | No it's not unfortunately. Without a date/time stamp who knows when he said it? He could have said it October 25th...the day he posted his leaving thread...that's a couple of weeks ago...right? Does it make it any better if he said those things months ago as a leader or days ago as a disgruntled leader who was leaving? -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:30 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
Honestly, him having said it before is even worse for this clan...it means he was still a major part of WG. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:39 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
I know it happened after a matched opts fights with SA about 2 months ago. Relax guys, lets not get this into mess. No, I don't think Dale should be banned. This happened ages ago, and dale basically did a lot for this clan. If he did this after the war knowing it'd trash our rep, then yes, he should get disciplined (20%-40% warn level). But this happened ages ago, even SA stated that in their RSC post. --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:43 pm | |||||||
 IRC Nickname: Pazenon Group: Emeritus Posts: 1477 Member No.: 33 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 79 | LOL are you serious? After all he's done you want him added to the hall of shame because of one silly incident that happened ages ago? -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:45 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rick Hamm Group: Ex-Member Posts: 573 Member No.: 1214 Joined: July 14, 2008 Total Events Attended: 6 | I didn't say that. What I DID say, if you bothered to read is that some sort of punishment is warranted here and if it were me, I'd go with HoS....I don't get to make those decisions, however, it don't take away from the fact that he's injured the reputation of the clan and just like the others who were suspended, he needs to suffer some consequences as well. -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:47 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Why would you need a timestamp when the other side (SA) stated it happened after a 2 months old Matched Options. They wouldn't lie about this lol, they need it to support their cause -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:47 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
Look at it this way: WG Leader, elected by the clan to represent the clan, insults SA. That is what happened. That is how it will be looked at. We're constantly talking about reputation, and doing thing because that how clans are judged. This is how WG will be judged. They won't look at Dale as a Higher Guardian, Elite Guardian or even a Tertiary. He was our LEADER, and he basically always speaks on the clan's behalf. So he insulted SA on our behalf. Regardless of whether or not it was a universal feeling throughout the clan, that is how it'll be looked at. So, because Dale did a lot before, he racked up "Bad boy points?" For every good thing he does, he gets points which he can spend on some bad things every once in a while. That's apparently how it looks. He did good, so we can let this slide. I really don't buy it. He knew it'd trash our reputation. He knew it would get a reaction. He wasn't joking. He was serious. But because he did some good stuff, it doesn't matter? It doesn't matter that he blatantly insulted another clan? -------------------- | ||||||
Posted: November 10, 2008 05:52 pm | |||||||
| IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | This topic stops here. Just another completely unnecessary drama topic. Thank you, Rick Hamm, your request for punishment on Dale has been noted. No more topics along these lines are to be made, LEAST OF ALL outside a high-level security forum or PM with the Primary Leader. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader || | ||||||
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