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Posted: December 15, 2008 10:58 pm  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151    | If you cant make the war, dont make one. Simple. --------------------  LOLPNS  Perm banned. | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:00 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Group: Emeritus Posts: 505 Member No.: 20 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 27 | Oh -------------------- | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:00 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Bto made the war FOR the trials. We both agreed the trials could easily handle it and I was always there for backup. Bto not being there had absolutely nothing to do with the outcome. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:00 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | Ummm.....yep --------------------   Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:00 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | Lol bto. --------------------    | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:00 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 |
Agreed, i've said this from the start. As it drops everyone else in the deep end, because i thought the blasters had been assigned when they had not, i had other things to do like assign the snipers along with get the war going. I apologise for the loss, i know i piled a 126 but it was only temporarily to knock him down. Unfortunately we had too many KO's which is probably the blasters fault. We didn't nearly do enough damage on our main piles. And the people getting Dced didn't help a lot either. As above, i'm extremly sorry. But people should not make events, WAR OR SKILLING that they know they can't attend. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: December 15, 2008 11:02 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Alright this is stupid, read my reply, and stop targeting the wrong people for the wrong reasons. Edit: Opened -------------------- | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:11 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 |
Agreed. The outcome was based on the lack of binding hybrids, and lack of composure at the begining (due to their premature charge). Our tanking had a bit to be desired also (Y) During the Trial Raid Leader period, things can be a bit bumpy. This process only lasts one more week and I ask for your patience  ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:13 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 |
Which relates to a point made in IRC <@[Randy]> So if Bto made the war, didn't come, and we won 14-0, you would make the post? <+Dilz> actually yes <+[Jon]|Boogers102> You can't say that tbh <+[Jon]|Boogers102> Because you don't know what you would have done if we won. <+Dilz> Then why assume? Assuming the future? If BTO was there, and blasters had been assigned, the outcome could of been different? Who is to say we wouldnt of lost anyway? My point is if your making a war, or any event, attend it. If you know your not going to be there, dont bother making one. -------------------- LOLPNS Perm banned. | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:17 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Emeritus Posts: 505 Member No.: 20 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 27 | Who is to say we would have won? The argument goes both ways. So that point is null quite honestly. Our guys got K0'd that had nothing to do with BTO, or blasters. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:18 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | Dilz, you're telling leaders what they should & should not be doing? One person can set up the event & another person can host/lead it. There is nothing wrong in that. BTO didn't do anything out of the ordinary, there were other leaders online, so we didn't disappoint GK. You shouldn't be so directing at BTO, people will setup events & others will host in the future, this won't change anything. I'm tempted to close this, but in regards to other people wishing to voice their opinion, this shall stay open. --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:21 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 |
The problems with that is the lack of communication. If he had said beforehand he wasnt going to make it, then Jess could of assigned blasters instead of being wrongly led to believe they already had. -------------------- LOLPNS Perm banned. | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:26 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Emeritus Posts: 505 Member No.: 20 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 27 | I agree it's one problem, but it's not a big problem. The main reason why we lost is because our members got K0'd and and we had maybe 2 people tank for a reasonable time. (Nice work Mugger  ) They only lost 3 people that fight. Having 2 blasters would not have made up for the difference in lack of tanking ability shown by our part. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:29 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | It is understandable to say that you shouldn't make something if you can't attend it, but things like this happen at short prep wars. You miss a few aspects such as binding and blasting and then sometimes a poor performance occurs. It was explained, however, that BTO did discuss it with Randy, and it should be the raid leaders who make sure that all of the positions are filled and that everything is straight before the war. Assumptions make an "ass out of u and me", and it seems it did just that. They are trials, so give them a break. We all make mistakes. On the other note, sorry everyone for my own poor performance. :< --------------------      | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:41 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I gave a warning about the hybrids. I said that we would have a lack of hybrids, and that they were the most important thing. Even before the war started, I tried to help out by seeing how many hybrids we would pull. After only 4 said they were hybriding, I pmed Jess about the hybrid problem. In a fight like this, the majority of the fighters are rangers and meleers. Without binds, only the rangers can hit. Without hybrids, we lose the effectiveness of our meleers; therefore we lose the most important aspect of an all styles fight - having multiple styles to combat prayers and inflict much more damage. When it comes to melee vs rune + prayer and range vs rune, the melee will do more damage. With only rangers being able to hit, we wouldnt be doing as much damage as we usually would be capable of. Thats why they tanked all over us. Theres a reason why we dont emphasize on blasters in a small all styles fight. They use up too much food, and they're easy kills. Add on the range/melee/and binds and they go down very quickly. As for people getting koed/dcs, I'm sorry. I tried to be as helpful as I could to the leaders before I left. I know you dont mean to single me out Dilz, but the first post kinda implied it. I'm personally not offended, but heres my argument: -Me failing to assign 2 blasters wouldnt have made as much of a difference if we didnt lose some to kos. Which was definitely not in my power. -Me failing to assign 2 blasters wouldnt have made as much of a difference if we had hybrids, which I emphasized. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:52 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Emeritus Posts: 505 Member No.: 20 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 27 | ^ /end rant -------------------- | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:52 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Sativas Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2255 Member No.: 1305 Joined: August 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 155 | Lets all play the blame game! --------------------  The Ultimate Skilling and Combat Badges Updated June 17th, 2011        | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:54 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | Omg i didnt get koed damit! >< lol --------------------    | ||||
Posted: December 15, 2008 11:59 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Dilz Group: Banned Posts: 1403 Member No.: 973 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 151 |
Ok cool I understand. BtoYou can LOCK NOW -------------------- LOLPNS Perm banned. | ||||
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