Agreed ~~~ highest rank ever held in WG should be the one you go by to give the Emeritus rank out. Then these members are well protected from just being a guardian.

Look at JC how fair would it be to him. Or even to Snow. If they were council it is way different or even higher or elite in their past.
 
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Thank you Garrett and Dallar.
“The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems
is the day you have stopped leading them.
They have either lost confidence that you can help them
or concluded that you do not care.
Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~

That's pretty much no different from Elite.
If I were an Elite I'd go Emeritus simply because I could still get all the goodies, and not worry about as much commitment.
 
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That's pretty much no different from Elite.
If I were an Elite I'd go Emeritus simply because I could still get all the goodies, and not worry about as much commitment.

Well, lets hear what the elites have to say about that. For a member like me the title itself is enough, I do not want to be seen as inactive. For an elite guardian, emeritus is also a downgrade or sorts since higher guardians can be emeritus aswell. Also, I like being able to vote. There is really no reason for an active member to choose an inactive rank over an active one.

I actually am not completely against taking away some privileges from emeritus, however the problem is that we are taking away community privileges for inactivity for no purpose other than punishment. Inactivity should be met with taking away some privileges of activity.

Instead of taking away community privileges, take away some warring privileges. First of all, in matched options wars as a policy (obviously there can be some exceptions if the raid leader says) emeritus get cut first. The rationale being that in the long run, it is better to give an active member warring practice than the emeritus who will seldom come to a war.
Emeritus can also be used as a bargaining chip in wars (just like FAs in some clans), in other words for certain wars all emeritus may be excluded should those conditions be agreed upon. For some wars we might give up emeritus fighting to get better conditions.

I think Mango is right that the new rank is too complicated to work, and will eventually colapse like other complicated ranks we have had. However, if we are to maintain this ranking system, I would strongly recommend giving back #WG and IA as doing this creates a sharp and unprecedented division in the community, and makes the Emeritus feel truly like outsiders. Letting go of the level forums is reasonable as those not active enough to sign up for wars are not really active enough to be involved in the technical matters of clan politics. Another incentive to retain Honored Emeritus might be the ability to vote in determining a General council seat (but not a Warlord seat).








 
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That's pretty much no different from Elite.
If I were an Elite I'd go Emeritus simply because I could still get all the goodies, and not worry about as much commitment.

Well, lets hear what the elites have to say about that. For a member like me the title itself is enough, I do not want to be seen as inactive. For an elite guardian, emeritus is also a downgrade or sorts since higher guardians can be emeritus aswell. Also, I like being able to vote. There is really no reason for an active member to choose an inactive rank over an active one.

I actually am not completely against taking away some privileges from emeritus, however the problem is that we are taking away community privileges for inactivity for no purpose other than punishment. Inactivity should be met with taking away some privileges of activity.

Instead of taking away community privileges, take away some warring privileges. First of all, in matched options wars as a policy (obviously there can be some exceptions if the raid leader says) emeritus get cut first. The rationale being that in the long run, it is better to give an active member warring practice than the emeritus who will seldom come to a war.
Emeritus can also be used as a bargaining chip in wars (just like FAs in some clans), in other words for certain wars all emeritus may be excluded should those conditions be agreed upon. For some wars we might give up emeritus fighting to get better conditions.

I think Mango is right that the new rank is too complicated to work, and will eventually colapse like other complicated ranks we have had. However, if we are to maintain this ranking system, I would strongly recommend giving back #WG and IA as doing this creates a sharp and unprecedented division in the community, and makes the Emeritus feel truly like outsiders. Letting go of the level forums is reasonable as those not active enough to sign up for wars are not really active enough to be involved in the technical matters of clan politics. Another incentive to retain Honored Emeritus might be the ability to vote in determining a General council seat (but not a Warlord seat).

Indeed. But seriously, what's the big deal with the 'Emeritus question'? It's been around for quite awhile until someone says "WAIT. These guys are inactive!"
Before that, no one gave a crap because it was understood that an Emeritus obviously earned his/her position from time spent with the clan. Do you guys honestly want to demote someone like Palidore? No! He has earned his place! Even though he's not the most active guy, he still deserves to be the same or higher than the average person.

Don't amend!
 
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That is such an insult to me. I lost a little respect for you.

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The Emeritus rank is so lightly given out, it is easy to switch between Emeritus and the active ranks at a person's pleasure. I have had a problem with it for a VERY long time.

There are HEAPS of Emeritus members that expect to be given the same amount of privileges as the active ranks and that's fucking wrong.

I am VERY strongly against the idea of letting them freeload off other peoples efforts. If they want to go inactive, they at least have to give SOMETHING back.

Most emeritus members didn't even sign up for the war, and most haven't even attended a war since they went emeritus.

I am yet to see any decent idea that would allow us to keep the longstanding members of WG, ensure they are prepared to help us when we need them occasionally, but also ensure that the active ranks are better rewarded to compensate for their higher commitment.

The reason I asked Abs to put this to you guys was to show you how difficult this whole fucking thing is to work out. The council came up with a VERY decent idea of splitting the Emeritus rank into two groups. Those members like Tnuac and Mango who are still regulars in the forums and could possibly come to wars would get Honoured. Those members like Snowzak who have left a big footprint in WG, but do not visit regularly or care about committing to events can get the regular emeritus rank.

This idea was well thought out by the council after a LONG discussion, and you guys were quick to reject it. When we asked you to offer up something better, you failed to do so, and so unless a better suggestion comes up, it is likely the council will follow through with our original idea.

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For reference, the problems with the Emeritus rank are described below:

 
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pretty sure that even includes me... you've been here forever lol
 
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IRC access is denied to normal emeritus members because it is a reward for activity.
It's one possible option. It could be that I remove more forum access or posting rights and such, but I just so happened to choose the IRC.

Taking away access allows a more fair reward to those members who are still committed to the events of WG. How dare you think I care more about wars than our community.

Why should I be motivated at all to help members who can't even see what the bloody hell I am trying to do for this community.

I'm done explaining. At the end of the day it is within my interests to govern WG as a whole and so I can honestly say I have looked at all your posts open-mindedly (or else I would not have had Abs make this topic) and have taken a few minor ideas on board, though I will be going ahead with some other controversial decisions, which I make for the good of WG whether you see it or not.
 
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yea, what he said.
 
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