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Posted: January 4, 2009 03:10 pm  | |||||||||||||||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9    | First of all, congratulations of the much elated win to take #10 RAW rank crown. As a token of memoir, I have taken a screenshot of the attendees in the cc, although I am sure there's even more to the list. EDIT: LATEST FULL LIST UPDATED - unable to update at war topic due to locked at http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=8572 TY. I will save you the time in reading too much about what this is all about, which I have chosen to announce this after the RAW war for obvious reasons. I found something which I would like you to rest your eyes on an ex-member's view. THE PICTURE And so, voila, may I present...  Which clearly sits in the IA section...  THE DEBATE http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=8420 http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=8433 http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...?showtopic=8696
With no offence and taking a true quote...
THE MORALE OF THE STORY? So, BEFORE you think about demoting or splitting up active to inactive retirees, I would suggest you re-adjust yourselves to think - that the retired Emeritus are required to earn their access while you allow some freeload access of even ex-members. - People who stayed and those who even took out time in their RL to attend wars (NOT events mind you) are being segregated and judged based on their activity for being inactive. - Demotion for people who actually aren't actually freeloading. - Retirees who actually had to debate and ask their way through this. And I understand there had been several ex-members given this SPECIAL privilege for having been out and "freeloading" you call it? TRUST This is no longer a new issue. But since you've decided to practice bias triple standards. Its sad to even watch all these bickering while this is the truth. And so this is it. Sure, we could say this whole thing is rectified, IA is opened and #WG is available. It all happened before this and retirees STILL needs to EARN their stay here. * Why not provide free access to all ex-members? *Why not do-away with Emeritus? You don't need that complications by the looks of this. * What is the point to continue taking time out from RL to contribute, to earn something as if its owed? And yet you question many others who had given alot of their efforts, should I name a few? Snowzak, Palidore, Tnuac etc...many more, ex-staffs too and members. These debates encourages rifts among members to retirees with all those implementations and yet the audacity of lack in respect to even dare condemn those who are still here to contribute. AUDACITY While this CR WAR is won, you better believe it that it is owed to the people who retired and came out to just fight this, to earn their commitment while some are indeed allowed freeloads by the very person who advocated against it. Maybe some have more patience for this, because the moral of it isn't important to them. But I wonder whatever gives you the right to question emeritus who do not play RS nor can attend wars while you give freeloads to those who doesn't play anyway nor attend wars outside the community. A question of trust. What is the point even to attend your precious (only)wars when others need not do a thing nor play a thing or be active within to keep their access? GF. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama  | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 4, 2009 03:17 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 | Just because Kenshln is trying to look at the topic, doesnt mean he can read it. I can link someone something in the adult forum, and if they dont appear, they still appear in the viewing box. --------------------    | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 4, 2009 03:19 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | I'm not sure about this but in multiple forums, being linked to a board that you can't access makes you appear on that board's active viewing user list. Might be the case, but I in no way am saying that I'm sure here, better ask Robbie --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 4, 2009 03:23 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 |
Sure, show me a link that goes there without direct access from the to-be reader. And why give link when its a sensitive topic when clearly the person knows he/she cannot read and yet give them? Oh, I do have other testimonials to this, but as I promised, I will not reveal the person's id and conversation. No matter what, you can choose not to believe it, whether or not, the trust is questionable. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 4, 2009 03:23 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | Hmmm weird, he shouldn't be able to view it. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: January 5, 2009 12:52 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 |
Lee speaks the truth. Accidents happen, sometimes topics links like this are posted in the lobby and stuff. Like if one member sees another coming into the lobby who has not signed up, member one may say "sign up for the war- link to topic here" Mistakes happen --------------------    | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 01:03 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Yeah, when a guest clicks on a link on our forums, it says they're reading that topic but they really are on the menu that says "You can't read this blah blah blah" It just so happens that Ken clicked on the site banner at the time. Occasionally you see guests reading the TS details because they click on the link in the header. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 01:10 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Ret[Keith] Group: Emeritus Posts: 2049 Member No.: 86 Joined: January 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 82 | Kenshln is a hax mastermind -------------------- Best Firemaker in WG no lie   <--- rofl1st joined WG: October 18th, 2005. Ex-WG mod, OPH winner  ^My original idea (U GOIN DOWN TWIZ)^ 189th person to get "100" firemaking Hash Unit, Tun Unit, C-Unit    | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 02:19 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 | I click the "Member Name" thing all the time, and sometimes I see a Tertiary Leader viewing a topic, I click on it, and bam "Sorry you have no permission to view this topic" The "Sorry you have no permission to view this topic" screen IS what Kenshln is looking at in that screenshot. Valdremia, we're not hiding this from you, I am 150% sure Council will NEVER EVER give out biased access to certain Ex-Members, it NEVER happened while you were Council, and it will NEVER happen, just because Wg has changed doesn't mean our expectations has changed =P It was just a mistake on your part, you weren't fully aware of the topic viewing thing. Anyway, 150% sure Council is still unbiased, when I left, Ex-Members aren't able to be view IA, and I'm pretty sure they still can't. ~Abs P.S. - I think this topic should be moved to Trash Can on approval from Topic owner, since it was indeed made from not enough information, therefore it is wrong information making unnecessary drama. --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 03:16 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Colin Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2039 Member No.: 68 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 69 | You missed me in the attendance part.  --------------------  Proud WG member from January 2006 - Fall 2009 | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 03:45 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Karlfischer Group: Ex-Member Posts: 664 Member No.: 124 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 55 |
Sure, he could have accidentally clicked on the link, or clicked on it purposely. However, what I find strange is that he would sit at a page he cannot view for over 10 minutes (look at the times, he clicked it at 1:21, the most recent time is 1:32) without either closing the window or navigating to another part of WG forums. EDIT: It occurs to me now though that closing the window might not actually log the person out of the forum, in which case he could have closed the window without bothering to log out and it would still display his name on the forum. I know this picture does not prove he can view anything he is not supposed to, but it would be nice for a Council to atleast check the masks of what forums he can view. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 05:52 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Group: Banned Posts: 2447 Member No.: 114 Joined: January 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 149 |
When I go to check new posts on forums, I literally open up 5-15 tabs to view different topics. Sometimes, I don't get to the last tab I opened for 15-30 min, depending on how much posting I'm doing on other topics. So in theory, I could be viewing a topic for that long, when in practice, I haven't even read it.  -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 06:58 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | I viewed the entire Admin logs of Myself, Arsenalfan32, Mugger84, Anatcrafter, Kingrandy0 and even Abmanu and Robbiethe1st. I give you my word, none of them touch Kenshln's account. I will take screenshots if you don't believe me. In all likelihood, the link to the war topic was given in the lobby or on the forums somewhere and Kenshln clicked it. He was unable to view the topic, but the online logs showed that he was on it. In the same way... conduct this test yourself... Get a trial to click a level 1 topic. It will show them as viewing it, even though they can't. It's just the way the forums work. I guarentee you, this is a misunderstanding Daren. --------------------  | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 07:06 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Geofff Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1238 Member No.: 608 Joined: May 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 96 |
+1. Although I had to go after the third kill. --------------------  | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 04:54 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Valdremia Group: Ex-Member Posts: 289 Member No.: 64 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 9 | When we stand between the lines of guilty till proven innocent and innocent till proven guilty, place these lines together one after the other and vice versa, there lies in a kind of truth that disables each other out because of conditions that we choose to forgo a truth as oppose to a fact. The reason we choose to protect certain things lies very much on truths that are witnessed and not told, things we hold dearly because its worth it. And what’s worth it lies in the reasons again that springs from where one’s integrity and idea of it is built on. The toughest to the easiest is when we are unable to exercise it to when we can but chose not to. Thank you for the explanation Elias. If I were to ask myself honestly, I could not ignore the testimonial and list of names given to me deemed "illegitimate access" that cannot be shared without discrediting the goodwill of a promise, yet at the same time I will take into account all the rationale here plus the stake of trust given based on what’s said and explained. It isn’t fair to all those not involved, members or council, leaders alike. If for whence a misunderstanding would definitely do us all good. This is, unfortunately, the best honest answer I could give, without intent, to further question all current council's integrity. All in all, I'm sure its better exercising thereon non-bias treatment and fairness to those who deserve it, would be a priority of yours, at best interests for all, as guaranteed. P.S. Well, still adore you Abs, thank you for your POV I do enjoy reading it, likewise for everyone, thank you. And pardon the pre-mature attendance list, I've missed out 1 more screenie too late. -------------------- "I will listen to you, especially when we disagree." - Barack Obama | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 5, 2009 11:15 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jenny Group: Emeritus Posts: 1967 Member No.: 19 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 56 | Where the hell is my name? --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 6, 2009 03:29 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [JC] Group: Emeritus Posts: 3320 Member No.: 23 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 147 | I don't have time to post a long reply to this post at the moemnt, but I do think that Valdy has discovered some security risk here. It seems unusual to me that Kenshln (who obviously is one of those members that has alot of friends both within WG and within the leadership) that no longer has his main RS account (its banned for those that don't know) would come accross a link to a topic in our IRC (or elsewhere). Have you seen Ken in our IRC recently? because unless he suddenly decided to become active there, I havent seen him there in months. I also find it incredible that someone like Ken (who has many friends in WG) just happens to be the one that has shown up with potential IA access. He would be just the kind of person that some bias would be applied to IMO, I just hope that this isn't the case, though I would be surprised if Valdy was posting this thread without rock solid evidence. ~Evil --------------------  Old awards wat Most Mature & Most Honourable Most Dedicated|IRC Freak|Best Emeritus Placeholder lolz | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 6, 2009 03:50 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Robertw56 Group: Guest Posts: 1908 Member No.: 15 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 118 | You know he could of just clicked one of the war sigs..... --------------------    | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 6, 2009 05:28 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: RobbieThe1st Group: Founder Posts: 770 Member No.: 2 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 49 |
Exactly. Or, at that time, the frigging *banner*. -RobbieThe1st -------------------- Old Avatar - Paypal donation link  I am left handed, and proud of it! Retired from RuneScape. Old forum posts: 2275(s4+s10+wg.com)+1759(z6 old account)+474(z6 new account) Total: 4508 Join date: 4/16/05 | Get Firefox 3.5 now: http://www.getfirefox.com | RobbieSwich for Firefox | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 6, 2009 07:52 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Mickey Group: Emeritus Posts: 5305 Member No.: 48 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 282 | I've linked people in the IRC to high level secruity topics before. The member without the access clicks it and get's a "You do not have permission to view this topic" message, meanwhile, in the few seconds they are TRYING to view the topic, they are marked on the active users as actually viewing it. --------------------   | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 6, 2009 10:51 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 |
I also am not in it =/ --------------------  | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 6, 2009 11:02 pm | |||||||||||||||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mojohaza1 Group: Council Posts: 495 Member No.: 1574 Joined: December 22, 2008 Total Events Attended: 33 | i don't know whats happening here so i won't comment, although i do see my name on the forum screeny! -------------------- | ||||||||||||||||||||
Posted: January 9, 2009 02:24 am | |||||||||||||||||||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | ya um *confused* he just clicked on a link no biggy --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||||||||||||||||||
A question of bias., Elias + Council + all