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Posted: January 21, 2009 09:15 pm  | |||||||||
      IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132    | Currently it's hard for a Trial to find his way in WG because we haven't organized it properly in my opinion. The Guides forum is just WAYYY to filled with guides and houses guides unrelated to the clan, the hellos forum just doesn't get noticed because it shares 'Last post by ______' with three other sub-forums and the ARPK rules are in the General forum. So my suggestion is to make a forum called 'The Trial's Gauntlet of Strength' To go in detail, its job should be the following:
So yeah I tried to summarize this to not bore you. This simple suggestion can help out our trial's a lot in my opinion. Comments? --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 09:16 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | Ummm, i guess it would help. I thought it was easy as a trial. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: January 21, 2009 09:16 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | Interesting. Could save us a lot of time.. *looks at other councils* --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 09:20 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Abs Group: Emeritus Posts: 2071 Member No.: 4 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 97 |
Yes Randy, I agree totally. LOL Starting out as a new member, it could be confusing in which direction to go towards. But your mentor should point you in the right direction should you stray off the path a little. But then again, from my own experience, mentors can be a bit inactive at times  So I think this would be very good, if it's like how we've done the application system, the topics all numbered. Links to other important topics. Then it will definitely be helpful. Chop chop! ~Abs --------------------  "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Wg Council & Secondary Leader - 21/10/07 to 24/12/08 Msn: [email protected] | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 09:24 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 | wow i didn't know mike could type!!!! nice idea mate. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 09:30 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Chimpy Group: Banned Posts: 2521 Member No.: 1474 Joined: November 16, 2008 Total Events Attended: 133 | Although Mike is NH i support this.  --------------------    | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 09:33 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Unlike you I always type properly in IRC and in forums So good fight to you mr 'ill jus go ess emm dee mike's pns' -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 09:33 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | Sounds Good. Corney name tho. --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 09:34 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Even more Corney than Wilderness Guardians?  -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 09:34 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls Group: Banned Posts: 2956 Member No.: 422 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 130 | Sounds like a very good idea to be honest... We already link new members to specific important guides and forums when accepting them, but this could indeed be very useful indeed. I'm sure this will have much discussion higher up in the near future. ~Mugger84 -------------------- Mugger84 Member Of WG Since 4th April 2008. WG Raid Leader Since 20th June 2008. WG Council Since 20th November 2008. Banned from WG Since 6th March 2009. DF IG Since 6th March 2009. DF FA Since 15th March 2009. Ex-Member Of WG Since 26th March 2009. Member of DF Since 6th April 2009. Clan Friend of WG Since 4th June 2009. --- ||Ex-WG Warlord || Current Member of DF || Ex-Rampage Leader ||  | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 10:41 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
only gays like lee do that. i dont have time to type properly and every1 knows my spelling sucks so get over it, -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 10:59 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I think its a pretty good idea It may be pretty confusing for a Trial initially -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 11:21 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | I like it, i admit it is very confusing as a trial looking for things etc. --------------------    | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 11:28 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: DZ Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 2991 Member No.: 18 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 238 | Excellent idea, have the MAIN things they need in one forum so they know for sure what their expectations are and know what they need to do. I also like the idea of a new spot for them to post hellos as well, your right about our current forum being way too crowded. Only thing I don't like is the name :S -------------------- Now back to the good part! | ||||||||
Posted: January 21, 2009 11:56 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Mmangler Group: Emeritus Posts: 1595 Member No.: 1580 Joined: December 24, 2008 Total Events Attended: 165 | Excellent suggestion. As a recent trial, and new guardian, I found the process confusing because many of the requirements were new to me. A separate forum would help. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2009 07:57 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | I don't really think it's necessary. So long as each trial has a good mentor, they're set. Don't see the need for another Guardian+ forum for mentors. All the important stuff is at the top with the exception of maybe the 1 warn level and you're out, but it might be there. In any case, all the stuff that you would have in an entire forum can be discussed in a single PM between the trail member and their mentor. I remember with my mentee I PMed him, sent him links to the guides, let him know about all the important stuff. Told him to keep screenshots of events he'd gone to so he'd be ready for the graduation. Basically, I think this new forum would just make things a little more complicated - there would be multiple places with the same information, so they might get worried they're not doing something the "other" list says, even though they're the same thing. Not that it's a bad idea, I just don't see it adding anything at all. --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2009 08:05 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Pazenon Group: Emeritus Posts: 1477 Member No.: 33 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 79 | I like the idea and how it sets to organize all aspects of a trial's process in graduation. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2009 08:08 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
No new forum, just move that board and make it a sub-board in the new forum.
We've got really a huge lot of guides that it's understand because the information is just too much, our ARPK rules are in the general forum, the hello's forum doesn't get enough attention because let's face it, people would rather say their goodbyes to their friends than post in the hello's forum, which makes it hard to spot a new member joining.
You misunderstood, we move everything related to trials in the new forum, while condensing the guides. except for the ARPK rules, they should remain in the general forum and in the new forum as well.
Mentoring is fine work, but not all mentors are the same, their methods differ. They still remain as mentors to help out and guide the new members, but the bulk of info can be found in the new forum. It does add one thing: Better Organization regarding trials. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2009 08:20 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Okay, so I had some misunderstandings. I still stand by my opinion though - it's just another forum. You want simplicity, that's what the mentor is for. The mentor is supposed to be the person to guide the trial. Give him the needed links, the rules. Show him the guides. All that stuff, even more than having a forum you've got a person for all that stuff. Honestly, if we do this, there is almost no need for the mentor program and then the trials have that one person taken away from them. The better organization regarding trials should come from the mentor, that's what they're there for. Helping the trial get settled in. If we do do anything, I would suggest we move the guides to the "Hello's" forum. Then when someone is given a mentee, it's all there for them, AND when the mentor does the stuff he's supposed to do, he can either link to that thread, or take the links and PM them to his mentee personally. All the same information would be there in a single thread, or a single PM. Communication with other members would come from the IRC and general forum posting. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2009 08:37 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Why not? A mentor is supposed to guide the member if he ever has questions about certain things, help him out in blending with the community. Mentors can still drop the usual reminder PM's and check up on his posts/behaviour individually. Because for all you know, he might have missed few things, it happens quite often.  There is no replacement for a mentor though, because interacting with a person has a much different and better effect on a person than forum guidelines. A person helping out makes the mentee feel a lot better and blend in well.
Mentor + Forum = Recipe for better simplicity? What if a member accidentally deletes the PM? What if the mentor forgets to pm him a link accidentally? What if the mentor is away? Can a mentor give the same information as a guide, for example basics of warring? No, but he can help him understand the things the mentee has problems with. Honestly, I don't see why it wouldn't be better to have a forum AND a mentor at the same time, it only makes things easier for the mentee's in the long run. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2009 09:12 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: leecable Group: Banned Posts: 1938 Member No.: 410 Joined: April 1, 2008 Total Events Attended: 178 |
Well I always use proper english, why don't you go back to slayer gay boy LOL, --------------------    | ||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2009 10:23 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Groedius Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1556 Member No.: 99 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 256 | I think it sounds like a good idea if it is implemented properly. --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2009 12:37 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Narita] Group: Guest Posts: 695 Member No.: 1378 Joined: October 15, 2008 Total Events Attended: 34 |
fuck off poor noob. lol -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 22, 2009 12:43 pm | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 |
That's exactly the point. The mentor should be doing the work. The mentorship is supposed to show responsibility. The mentor is supposed to tell the mentee what to do, show him the ropes. Do all that, and direct him to important places. Creating an entire forum simply for the trials would basically eliminate the portion of directing the trial to important places. There wouldn't be much in terms showing the mentee the ropes anymore because they'd all be laid out. I think the way the guides are set up now is fine. Official clan guides are in one area, and general guides are in another. All guides are in the same place, very easy to locate. No need to move them. In terms of behavior, simple PM in and out of game accomplish that. Honestly, that should always come up in conversation with a mentor and mentee. Mentor + Forum = consolidation. Not more simplicity necessarily. You go into human errors, so what if the mentee doesn't read the guides in his special forum? What if he doesn't go to the special forum? If the trial deletes the PM, ask your mentor to resend it by going to his sent messages folder and sending it a second time. If the mentor forgets to PM him the link accidentally he's not doing his job to the best of his ability. If the mentor is away it's his responsibility to check with the mentee and let him know he'll be away and direct him to important stuff before he goes on leave. Can the mentor give the same information as a guide? No, but I already agreed to that. I already said the mentor should direct the mentee TO the guides. If anything, I'm just against the idea of creating an entire forum that chances are won't be used. Mentees will realize it's more of an information kiosk, so there won't be any active threads. I would be fine I with creating a sticky in the "Hello's" forum with an outline of basic rules and regulations for trial members, along with all necessary links to guides that are important for trial guardians. Even then, there is no way to make sure they even read that. On the same token there is no way to ensure the trials do ANYTHING at all. I still stand by my opinion that the mentor should basically do everything in terms of showing the mentee around. Direct him to important guides or threads. Tell him how things usually go in terms of events and such. Help make sure the mentee is on the right track for graduation and all that stuff. Don't think I'm against the idea of making the trial process easy, but if we make it to easy, the mentor position loses a substantial portion of things he should be responsible for. We don't want to degrade the mentorship because then people might think "Oh, well they've got everything they need really, no point in helping them." -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: January 27, 2009 07:03 pm | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | Epic bumping by someone.... Not old enough to go into the bumped archives. So locked, can be re-opened if needed, just pm me.  ~George --------------------    | ||||||||
New Forum: The Trial's Gauntlet of Strength, Fancy name for a trial's forum