I think these guides cover everything that a Trial Guardian needs to know. How to access both the IRC and TS. Who the main contact people are in the clan. What is required on our PvP events, and where to meet up for these events. There are several guides on CWA tactics and then how to return to PKRIs and how to hybrid.

If we use this, I would recommend moving it to the "Hello's" forum because that's where Trial Guardians usually go because they're encouraged to make a "Hello WG" thread there to get some attention drawn to them.

In any case, I would also recommend that if we use this list, upon accepting a member the Council member who accepts the member shoots the new member a PM linking them to the list so they can see everything right off the bat.
 
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Well, I did get my idea from Mike's initial suggestion. However, seeing as how I oppose the creation of an entire forum simple for the purpose of simplicity, I came up with my own idea. A list. It's short and to the point. It has all the key information and could simply be a sticky topic in the "Hello's" forum, no need for an entire forum. I honestly believe that forum would be dead within a week or two. Trials wouldn't use it as their "hang out" or anything like that. A simple thread in the "Hello's" forum gets the job of making things more simple, done. And it can always be linked to. No need to make a new forum when you can accomplish the same thing with a simple list of important guides.
 
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Well, I did get my idea from Mike's initial suggestion. However, seeing as how I oppose the creation of an entire forum simple for the purpose of simplicity, I came up with my own idea. A list. It's short and to the point. It has all the key information and could simply be a sticky topic in the "Hello's" forum, no need for an entire forum. I honestly believe that forum would be dead within a week or two. Trials wouldn't use it as their "hang out" or anything like that. A simple thread in the "Hello's" forum gets the job of making things more simple, done. And it can always be linked to. No need to make a new forum when you can accomplish the same thing with a simple list of important guides.

How would it be dead? It'd include the stickies I mention AND become the place for hello's, just in a different forum because the current forum has 4 sub-forums, which makes it hard for a trial to get noticed in his post.

Surely it'd have the same activity as the hello's sub-forum?
 
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Well, I did get my idea from Mike's initial suggestion. However, seeing as how I oppose the creation of an entire forum simple for the purpose of simplicity, I came up with my own idea. A list. It's short and to the point. It has all the key information and could simply be a sticky topic in the "Hello's" forum, no need for an entire forum. I honestly believe that forum would be dead within a week or two. Trials wouldn't use it as their "hang out" or anything like that. A simple thread in the "Hello's" forum gets the job of making things more simple, done. And it can always be linked to. No need to make a new forum when you can accomplish the same thing with a simple list of important guides.

How would it be dead? It'd include the stickies I mention AND become the place for hello's, just in a different forum because the current forum has 4 sub-forums, which makes it hard for a trial to get noticed in his post.

Surely it'd have the same activity as the hello's sub-forum?

So this new forum would do what exactly then? Replace old forums? In which case we should get rid of the old ones?

What I'm saying is rather than creating new forums for the goal of making finding information easier for the trial members we use a list. I've taken the liberty of compiling a list of some key information.

I say it would be dead because of this:

The stickies you mention would include information that could be linked to in a single sticky. Why have multiple stickies for multiple guides in a new forum? Why not a single list with links to the guides, plus a brief explanation of what each guide contains?

So this new forum would become the new "Hello's" meaning we wouldn't need the old "Hello's"? So we'd be adding one and taking one away...and it would be in a new place. So we're basically moving something somewhere else?

On the topic of sub-forums, I don't see how they even come into play. The "Hall of Shame" is very rarely updated. "Temporary Inactivity" is fairly active, alright, as is the "Goodbyes," but what you're saying is that covers up the "Hello's" forum?

Let me ask you this, when you go somewhere new, do you stick to the intro area? If it's the student center, is that where you make all your friends? No, you go to all your classes, which could be thought of as the sub-forums, under the larger department. You get to know people by being out there with the people. The "Hello's" forum isn't really meant to be an incredibly active forum like "Important Announcements," "General Matter," or things like that. It's a place to say "Hey I'm here, just letting you all know. Ready to be a Guardian." If people post, great. If not, it's not a big deal because they'll get the interaction via the IRC and general forum conduct and events.


 
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• Information centre containing stickies, such as the one you made and
  
  
• A topic containing a list of mentors and their mentee's
  
  
• A ranks topic stating the current staff only ranks and ways to contact them
  
  
• Instead of a hello's forum, this could be used as a hello's forum as it gives their 'hello's' topics more attention.
  
  
• A sub-forum viewable only by guardian+ for all mentoring related
  
  

We remove the hello's sub-forum and the mentor and it's sub-forum and merge them in one forum to help it become more organized, and contact the stuff I mentioned above.

What I meant is, when people check forums they sometimes skip their sub-forums. Yes it happens, yes it's wrong, but you should also note that when you have 4 sub-forums containing 3 active ones (Goodbyes, hellos, temp inactivity) then I can say that a lot of people may not be paying attention to two of these forums while focusing on one of them.

First impressions, you ought to give a good impression of your clan by staying active in things such as these, sure it's one small thing but it's important to prove part of our activity, the forums.

Sure, they go make friends and all that, but the first step of making friends is to introduce yourself properly. Hanging out in TS/CC/IRC/Forums and Events are the second step after you introduce yourself.

Not really multiple guides on multiple topics, I said in my topic we merge them all in one post but your idea works fine with it too.

I also mentioned more, check the list I added above.

I still fail in seeing how this wouldn't work, since basically not only would it help trials, but it'd also help things become organized around the forums. That forum would only things better in general, and it's not going to make things worse. If it's going to make things worse, then enlighten me please.
 
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Wait what lol?

How in god's name is this making them feel less welcome?

This has nothing to do with their duration in the clan, it's to give them a better first impression and to help them blend in easily, and again it has nothing to do with PvP or Events, it's only to guide them and keep things organized.

Again, I say it won't be inactive, it's going to have the same activity as the hello's forum + mentor's combined.

Oh and if you read my post, then you'd know what I said is actually removing 2 forums and adding one that combines them both, so we're actually cleaning up some 'unneeded' forums.

I fail in seeing how giving their hello's topic more posts makes them feel less welcome.
 
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• Information centre containing stickies, such as the one you made and
  
  
  
• A topic containing a list of mentors and their mentee's
  
  
  
• A ranks topic stating the current staff only ranks and ways to contact them
  
  
  
• Instead of a hello's forum, this could be used as a hello's forum as it gives their 'hello's' topics more attention.
  
  
  
• A sub-forum viewable only by guardian+ for all mentoring related
  
  
  

We remove the hello's sub-forum and the mentor and it's sub-forum and merge them in one forum to help it become more organized, and contact the stuff I mentioned above.

What I meant is, when people check forums they sometimes skip their sub-forums. Yes it happens, yes it's wrong, but you should also note that when you have 4 sub-forums containing 3 active ones (Goodbyes, hellos, temp inactivity) then I can say that a lot of people may not be paying attention to two of these forums while focusing on one of them.

First impressions, you ought to give a good impression of your clan by staying active in things such as these, sure it's one small thing but it's important to prove part of our activity, the forums.

Sure, they go make friends and all that, but the first step of making friends is to introduce yourself properly. Hanging out in TS/CC/IRC/Forums and Events are the second step after you introduce yourself.

Not really multiple guides on multiple topics, I said in my topic we merge them all in one post but your idea works fine with it too.

I also mentioned more, check the list I added above.

I still fail in seeing how this wouldn't work, since basically not only would it help trials, but it'd also help things become organized around the forums. That forum would only things better in general, and it's not going to make things worse. If it's going to make things worse, then enlighten me please.

For me, it's not so much that the idea won't work, it's more that I don't think it is needed. I also don't think it would have the desired effect.

Information center part can be covered by the list. Not sure how knowing all the mentors and mentees is beneficial to a new member? In any case the list of mentors and mentees can be linked to as well. The guides I have put in the list has one where it mentions important contacts, that being the Council. I also suppose another list of all staff members can be created, not that hard. The amount of attention a topic gets doesn't make it any more or less proper, so don't really agree there. Don't see how having a Guardian+ sub-forum for mentoring purposes is needed at all. Share secret mentor tactics? What? If it's about troublemakers the Security Forums are there to help.

Don't see how it'll be that much more organized. All that's in the current mentor forum is the new mentees and their mentors, which are all individual topics. Then there is the sub-forum for their reports. Simple. If we start tossing "Hello's" in there, we'd have to have multiple sub-forums again anyway, nulling the point of more attention to the topics.

When people check the forums, they look at the most active topic. Then they click, and maybe go to the sub-forum that that topic was in and check out some others. I know I don't go on the forums and stick to a single sub-forum within a larger forum. If a particular sub-forum has a topic that has interested me, then I'll browse that sub-forum for a little bit.

First impressions? They made their first impressions as an Into and as an Applicant. The "Hello's" forum isn't supposed to be a place of gathering and joy, it's a place where you just say "Hey, I'm WG now, just letting you know." Nothing more really. Plus it's not like that forum is going to net a whole lot of activity either. That won't become a place like "General Matters" where lot's of people hang out and post in. I mean honestly, the "Hello's" forum is pretty ignored and I'll agree to that because it's true, as is the Mentor forum, but taking two inactive forums and merging them won't spur activity. Each forum doesn't have to be active, some are there merely for the purpose of straightening things out - Mentor forum which basically has loads of topics all stating who is a mentee and who their mentor is.

Again, the main introduction to the clan comes from the initial Intro before the application. They have to be in the IRC anyway so they've already started to mingle. The other thread in the "Hello's" is simple a heads up post, not one that needs loads of recognition.

I think the list enough would help trials. It's not that it'll make things worse, but that it's not needed. Moving and merging forums isn't necessary.
 
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Well we know it is helping at least one.
 
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