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Posted: February 1, 2009 10:16 am  | |||||
      IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132    | I was having discussion with my good friend Lewbull (Who also happens to be TDM's head diplomat) about how our 3-way alliance is..fragile, and how we can fix it. One thought that came into my mind was something The Alliance does: Allowing allied members to attend each other's events even if it is a normal non allied event (Exception of Wars and Official stuff, of course), along with perhaps better usage of IRC and TS. One thing I found pathetic in our alliance is that people come and ask 'who's <name' when he happens to be a leader or a warlord. I'm hoping by many steps taken (That me and Lewbull have discussed), we can make our alliance an actual one, where we have fun with our allies and not just see them once or twice a month. So yeah, here's the first step: Allies allowed to come to normal events as long as they respect the host clan's rules. What do you feel about that? Explain and vote please. We'll use the feedback from our clans to see how this should go. P.S. This is just to find out how people feel about this, it's not official yet. It's up to the Council and our allies' leaders to implement this eventually. --------------------  MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian.  | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 10:19 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: megajayson Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9246 Member No.: 423 Joined: April 4, 2008 Total Events Attended: 216 | well it would mean extra work, but it will strengthen our relationship with our allies and also would improve attendance at events (even if they arnt our own members) which means some events would be more fun. --------------------  This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill Fifteen percent concentrated power of will Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain And a hundred percent reason to remember the name! 7th Highest Overall for Wars Attended. | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 10:24 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Dnovelta Group: Emeritus Posts: 2750 Member No.: 130 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 137 | Agreed. I *think* this is how it used to be with FEAR. I can't remember for sure. We'd have to make sure they listen and follow orders, and that we do the same with them. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 10:39 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Flippie||Afk Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1708 Member No.: 55 Joined: December 31, 2007 Total Events Attended: 0 | Hm, Well we (normal members) Can't get on TDM's IRC & Forums. Only ranked people from WG can. I know if their Channel became Public, I'd idle there. But only few of them come to our channel. So its pretty hard to to get to know the people in TDM. Same with TBE, they use the lobby system like us, but its pretty inactive. About the events, sounds good to me. We'll have more people at the events, making some events more fun because of the numbers. -------------------- http://www.myspace.com/ZitherBand Support my Friends!  | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 10:44 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 |
I've already been doing this to many TDM + TBE members, but they don't wanna come  --------------------    | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 12:40 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Billy|Gilli Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1545 Member No.: 1451 Joined: November 9, 2008 Total Events Attended: 91 | Nice idea, but it might ruin the other clans when they see how super active we are to every event, and might make there members join us ya  --------------------    | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 01:29 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Jesseh Group: Guest Posts: 2670 Member No.: 297 Joined: March 8, 2008 Total Events Attended: 222 | A lot of the time they don't want to come, but i think most of the members from the allyied clan having the same rank as being a member on all 3 of the forums gives us more chance to go. Obviously it means that the leaders will have to check each forums to see which attendance they need to add but ultimately it'll get us more active. Allied raids once a month would be amazing 30 from each clan is 90 people, 90 people in the wilderness monthly, is pretty good even for DF or Corr standard. I think that improving on our alliances is the best thing we can do at the moment. --------------------   17/6/08--> 12/9/08--> 29/11/08--> 5/1/09--> 2/3/09(Left)--> 19/7/09(Rejoin)--> 2/8/09
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Posted: February 1, 2009 01:47 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
I have to disagree on this because we should improve our alliance, but we shouldn't totally merge our clans 
Well, it really depends on this. If It's, say, a TDM event, we shouldn't get attendance because we're guests there. However, if it's an official allied event, I believe both clans receive attendance. It's more of a way to make them feel welcome to come, without the temptation of more attendance points xD Personally I think we should do 2 official raids if not more per month with our allies, excluding the spur of the moment ones. Glad to see positive replies so far, but if you feel there is a negativity in this, please don't hesitate to post. -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 02:55 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: bto Group: Emeritus Posts: 3815 Member No.: 196 Joined: February 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 332 | I think thats a great idea. Any non-warring event should be available to our allies too. I think our alliances are strong, especially with TDM, but you're completely right. It can be much stronger, and many things you said should happen more. I will try to get at least one allied raid per month with TDM and TBE. Perhaps we could even use an allied IRC to get to know each other better? The only problem with that is that it takes attention away from our main channel and lobby. One problem is the consistancy of activity. Along with each seperate clan's event, it can be hectic going to other clans' events. Even if this got going, within a couple of weeks I can imagine around 0-2 allied members every couple of events. As George said, hes tried it before but many are not interested. If we could find a solution, it could be very promising for this alliance. -------------------- bto  Ex-WG Warlord  "It is our direction, not our intentions, that lead us to our destinations." | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 03:35 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Well, they'll need Allied Accounts to access our events, the way to get a lot of them to register is simple, really: If this gets accepted by all clans, we start topics in each of our clan's forums advertising this new option for our alliance. One problem I can think of is when an ally leaves their clan, but with good communication this can be avoided (Like, making part of the procedure in removing someone from a clan is informing the other allies that he is no longer a member of that clan). More votes and opinions please  ! -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 04:20 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
Another way that this is a problem, is the times of raids and such. If someone joins TBE for example and sees our raid times, they could then just leave and join a NH clan and know our raid times. Do TBE and TDM have the same policy as us on the NH clan thing? Do we trust all TBE and TDM with our raid times? To fix this, we would have to definitely check where we put the times of our raids and what forums the allies would be able to view. Basically we just have an "Allied Events" section on forums. You would then have to have the events leaders post on both sections, or they could move it leaving a link in our own events section. That way when one of our members looked at the event in our personal events section, they would be re-directed, but our allies would see the same thing. And the moving would maintain the amount of posts the event leaders get. You could also do the exact same with recaps. --------------------      | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 04:34 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Gorgemaster Group: Elite Guardian Posts: 9840 Member No.: 3 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 540 | I'm 90% sure that TBE and TDM know our raid times already. I fully trust TBE and TDM, we've known them for a very long time and the alliance has never had any problems, neither us nor TDM or TBE would want to jeapordise that. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 04:52 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Or we could let them access our Events forum but make all Raid and war related stuff in our private warring forums ? -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 07:05 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
What about people that join TBE or TDM and then leave? It basically puts us at a 3x higher risk of having other people other than our allies to know our raid times. As Mike said, putting the raid times in the private forums would work, but we would have to do the same with recaps or we could just not include the time that we left. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 09:32 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Why recaps though? Recaps are well..in the past -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 10:15 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | If the raid times are going to be fixed times like Elias said in a post, then it would give away our raid times. -------------------- | ||||
Posted: February 1, 2009 10:17 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
Ah, well, if that happens, we could just get a war recap sub-forum? -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 02:56 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 | Was away, now can I please get some more votes? 20 only :/ -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 07:16 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Groedius Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1556 Member No.: 99 Joined: January 3, 2008 Total Events Attended: 256 | Could be fun to have more people turn up who were friendly with to skills event so im saying yes and we can get to know them better. --------------------   | ||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 07:19 pm | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Mike|Sonix Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1483 Member No.: 13 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 103 | I'd say yes, but it would be very difficult to manage. We would need some sort of access to their forums where allied events could be posted, or something of the sort. Even then, I don't think I would check an allies forum as much as our own. Its a hassle to deal with many clans at once. --------------------  | ||||
Posted: February 6, 2009 07:22 pm | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
The point of being a guest is not abusing the hospitality of the other clan, and as such you wouldn't be expected to view their forums alot because you're active in WG not theirs, so no worries -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: February 7, 2009 04:35 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: rachellove Group: Council Posts: 6955 Member No.: 173 Joined: January 31, 2008 Total Events Attended: 305 | Security seems an issue. Will it end up putting more work on our staff? Do we get attendance for going to a allies event where only 3 people show up? So many questions and details to figure out. Will our idea of PG 13 talk and theirs match up or will there be issues? If we do this it will need to be done in caution. --------------------  Thank you Garrett and Dallar. “The day soldiers stop bringing you their problems is the day you have stopped leading them. They have either lost confidence that you can help them or concluded that you do not care. Either case is a failure of leadership.” ~~Colin Powell ~~  | ||||
Posted: February 7, 2009 09:28 am | |||||
| IRC Nickname: Rage|Mike Group: Clan Friend Posts: 1948 Member No.: 1238 Joined: July 29, 2008 Total Events Attended: 132 |
This idea was never meant for attendance. It's a way to improve our relations with our allies and get to know them more. It would be almost the same amount of work on our event leaders, and if it does get a bit too much, we can appoint one or two more whenever necessary. Obviously as I stated earlier they have to follow the rules of the host clan when attending their events. I can't see any security problems, I mean, who'd crash a fun or skill event (If an ally leaks) -------------------- MSN: [email protected] IRC: Rage|Mike at SwiftIRC and SeersIRC Drop me a comment, click to view my RSC profile! Proud to be ex-Wilderness Guardian. | ||||
Posted: February 11, 2009 03:33 am | |||||
 IRC Nickname: Croak Group: Clan Friend Posts: 104 Member No.: 1667 Joined: January 27, 2009 Total Events Attended: 13 | Yes, that would let everyone get to know each other better, and would be more fun with more people, that being your allies. -------------------- RIP: Lt. Stuart J. Alexander of the Corpus Christi Police. EOW: 3/10/2009    I am a Volunteer Firefighter, and am also a Police Explorer. Going to become a police officer soon, and work my way up to a detective. :)   | ||||
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