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Posted: February 12, 2009 12:53 am  | |||||||||
      IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129    | This is not a definitive poll. I just want the clan's opinion, from which I will make my own judgment. PROS OF A REQUIREMENT RAISE
CONS OF A REQUIREMENT RAISE
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Posted: February 12, 2009 12:55 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Robertw56 Group: Guest Posts: 1908 Member No.: 15 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 118 | Voted  --------------------    | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 12:55 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | 4 people, including Robertw56, voted without weighing the pros and cons. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 12:57 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: [Randy] Group: Raid Leader Posts: 5065 Member No.: 16 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 499 | I voted 105. Anything above that seems like a big step. If 105 works, then raise it. I think if we raise it our recruitment will go down the shitter. But if it works, it will make us stronger. Hm.... --------------------   | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 12:58 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Useph Group: Guest Posts: 267 Member No.: 125 Joined: January 12, 2008 Total Events Attended: 29 | I voted no - but I don't really care what the Reqs are, nor will making them above 105 combat speed up my training. -------------------- Goals 78/99  | 99/99  | 92/99  | 94/99  | 82/99  | 99/99  | 77/99  mIRC Guru  WG's #1 Pyromaniac | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 12:58 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Sithofwookie Group: Ex-Member Posts: 2842 Member No.: 815 Joined: June 11, 2008 Total Events Attended: 48 | Personally I'd like to see the req be 105+ but at the same time not be more combat focused. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 12:58 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Robertw56 Group: Guest Posts: 1908 Member No.: 15 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 118 |
I know what I want. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 12:59 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
But do you know what I want and why? -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:01 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Robertw56 Group: Guest Posts: 1908 Member No.: 15 Joined: December 29, 2007 Total Events Attended: 118 |
What you want is different from what the clan wants. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:02 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
What I want is different from the clan's wants, but exactly the same as their needs. If I have to stop my kids from eating junk food, I will no matter how much they want it. At least I'm keeping an open mind about this. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:07 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: [ FlAmEy ] Group: Ex-Member Posts: 848 Member No.: 138 Joined: January 20, 2008 Total Events Attended: 123 | i voted for 105+, i'd to see use with more experienced warring members but i also don't want to raise our reqs to high so it discourages lower levels on joining our Community. ~Flamey -------------------- WG since january 28TH 2008   | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:09 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 | Voted no, although i meet all set levels there, it would be a shame to loose so many people, and to also not be able to gain that many. It is the lower levels of the clan that keep us active with the skills. (not saying anything against the higher levels) But even myself i still consider myself a lower level and would like to see that clan have the same amount of memebers, and stay focused they way it is. --------------------    Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:13 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 | Agreed Sooth. Lower levels give us a reality check. They make sure we're not like the powerhouse clans that value people for how good they are in the wild. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:19 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Kero2|bryan Group: Guest Posts: 1302 Member No.: 91 Joined: January 2, 2008 Total Events Attended: 26 | I voted yes being honest. 107 cmb + Or do kero2 reqs 100+ rune and your fine  But ya seriously I dotn mean to piss of any of WG skillers/ cmb haters. But trust me it would look good. And then we should have a monthly skill wars -------------------- Best pure f2p Guardian  Post here http://www.wildernessguardians.com/forum/i...owtopic=20&st=0  | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:22 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | I voted knowing the pros and cons. It wasn't a blind move. You can't treat everyone like their 6 Elias. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:22 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Plano|Adam Group: Emeritus Posts: 1449 Member No.: 228 Joined: February 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 107 | i said 105+ i dont think its too much of a hassle and if u dont have the time to get the level you really dun play enough to be a decent member. 105 is like 79 in atk, str, and def, and like 60 prayer. and it will also boost morale during wars/raids, knowing we have a better chance at having a succesful one at all. --------------------  "If at first you don’t succeed, call it version 1.0" | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:23 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Kiwi011 Group: Emeritus Posts: 3052 Member No.: 40 Joined: December 30, 2007 Total Events Attended: 21 | No, everytime we raise req's we loose members and go into a recession and loose 70% of our members. I would rather have the lower levels who will grow in WG and stay WG rather than lvl 110 clan hoppers who just want a clan to be in. --------------------  | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:25 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: His Lordship Group: Founder Posts: 6029 Member No.: 1 Joined: December 26, 2007 Total Events Attended: 129 |
At least someone remembers the old requirement raises. Such a shame I have to prove this theory every year to show the newer guys. -------------------- | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:29 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Billis Group: Clan Friend Posts: 113 Member No.: 1668 Joined: January 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 8 | Your leaving out members with 100cmb and 90 mage or range i voted for 105 cuz its not that big of a jump LOL But 80-85-80 or 80-80-80 with a 90+ in mage or range Witch i fall into that category -------------------- "No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main.... Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in Mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:31 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 |
lies you have 89 range and 81 mage. -------------------- Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:32 am | |||||||||
 IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 | Okay let's get away from the skilling part of WG even more. Let's try to become a powerhouse clan that looks good to RSC because we war a lot and are all about combat. Let's turn away those applicants that see WG as a clan with equal interest in many things. I know I joined WG for some combat based events, but I also joined WG because WG was an all-around clan; something that did a little of everything. When you ask to improve the combat part of a clan, you basically take what was in everything else (skilling and the community) and you put that into the third leg, the combat area. If you increase the requirements, you are taking away from other aspects of WG. Honestly, a person who does not like us because we are 100+ and not 105+ is just a greedy person who wants to be an elitist, and will have the chances of being a power-hungry bastard. I have seen it in my previous clan, but this is just a generalization, not a fact. If someone gets KO'd at a war, who's fault is it but their own? What is wrong with that? They lose a set of rune? How can that really matter? We are too critical on those who get KO'd when we all know, it happens to the best of us. I know a few people that are better tanks than higher levels regardless of their combat level, regardless of how much they like combat, and regardless of their defense level. If you want to lower the chances of getting KO'd, put those who do get KO'd into the conditions inwhich they would for them to get used to the environment. How does them getting KO'd really matter though? That is the true question. If it is a full-out war, they helped us while they were alive. If it is a PKRI, they lose a set, we lose what? Nothing. Honestly, I would rather WG look like a little clan that has their great community and then go out and show whatever clan up that challenges us, or denies us our power, than to look like a VR or DF to the clan world. I do not want the huge rep and expectations that everyone puts onto a "top" clan. The "top" clans should be ranked on their performance rather than their levels, and if we can pull 70+ 100+ over 60+ 105+, I don't think that the clan world is really going to care about the 5 levels that are required by entry requirements; they will look at our numbers, our opts. We have had few problems with spies within WG. One of them was in WG before I was. There is nothing and no-one to fault for that. Any person who is willing to train a level 100 to spy on a clan will train the 5 extra levels to spy. Those who love combat, will spend the extra time for 5 combat levels. Also if the person has used the account to spy on a clan before, then it will already be 105+ if your statement is true about other clans being 105+. I know for sure that raising the requirements will not encourage me to train any harder. I train at the pace I can, and what I gain is what I gain. Most of the people who are below 105 combat have a head-strong attitude about this the same way as I. To those who are 105+ and say "Why not?" think if you are answering because you are 105+, or if you think it will really be for the better of the clan. I believe that I have just argued every point that you have posed on the Cons section in your original post, Elias. Also while it is somewhat relevant; Who really cares about RSC and what information is on there? Anyone who is semi-active in the higher clan world knows about clans and knows that the RAW list is a joke. We are top 10 and we have a low requirement than top clans. If someone who knows nothing about clans looks around and they are 100+, then they will see us because of our requirements. And completely honestly, I looked from the bottom of the RAW list to the top because I was scared of requirements. Should be about it for now.. As you can see, my vote is NO. --------------------      | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:32 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Brian|30 Group: Ex-Member Posts: 565 Member No.: 1547 Joined: December 13, 2008 Total Events Attended: 75 | A higher combat usually means a higher activity by it's members. To be honest you could play RS half-assed and get 100 combat. Now of course, there's plenty of great, 105- members, but if they care a rat's ass they'll be willing to level up 5 levels. So my opinion for the 105+ only is to increase activity. Because of this, I think a certain total level skill count should be another way to get in the clan, being you are level 100. If we lose 70% of our members over this slight increase of requirements, we're obviously not as tight as a community as we thought, and probably don't deserve a strong clan. If we're purely a community clan, why not release the requirements all together. If people leave over an increase good. They were obviously either not active enough to be in this clan, or not willing enough to be. -------------------- Dragon Claws Drops: 1 2 Dragonic Visage Drops: 1 Ruined Dragon Drops: 1 Abyssal Whip Drops: 1 2 | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:36 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Billis Group: Clan Friend Posts: 113 Member No.: 1668 Joined: January 28, 2009 Total Events Attended: 8 |
But im also almost 101 cmb  and i said range or mage -------------------- "No man is an island entire of itself; every man is a piece of the Continent, a part of the main.... Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in Mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee." | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:37 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Hyperion Group: Ex-Member Posts: 1636 Member No.: 978 Joined: June 23, 2008 Total Events Attended: 141 |
So your going for what makes the clan look good in numbers, and not what holds that clan together, it's member? a lvl 128 can be the greatest warrer we have, but be a huge dick and break the clan/make people leave. While a 104 can hold their own in clans, not standing out like an mvp, but makes it to 95% of all events and gives good feedback/posts, and welcomes people to wg. Looking good with numbers isn't the only thing for WG here. ----------------------------- EDIT to 30 str owns. Just because they are 100 combat doesn't mean they are playing half assed. How do we know that they haven't only been playing for 9-14 months. I've been playing 6 years now, and what am i, lvl 113. Don't just a book by it's cover. Don't judge a noob by its level. -------------------- Dragon boots:29 Whips:2 | ||||||||
Posted: February 12, 2009 01:38 am | |||||||||
| IRC Nickname: Lefty Group: Emeritus Posts: 3340 Member No.: 1055 Joined: June 30, 2008 Total Events Attended: 211 |
I don't have time to train to worry about a combat level, and I believe I play more than enough to be a decent member. Tell me if I am wrong though.
Attack: 83 Strength: 84 Defense: 84 HP: 85 Prayer: 70 Those are basic levels for 105 F2P combat. A pretty big difference actually.
How will having higher combat levels boost our morale more than having more numbers? -------------------- | ||||||||
Raise the requirements?