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By Troll84 on 16/01/2009

Took it upon myself to take the bull by the horns. I obviously lie in various places, but it's for the better.

QUOTE (Conversation with VR Council)

(Fri 17:42:25) <Mugger84> Sup
(Fri 17:42:34) <Ando> What can i do for you
(Fri 17:42:51) <Mugger84> All this crap of vr thinking wg were to crash some fight of yours is fabricated rubbish - and needs to be clarified.
(Fri 17:43:16) <Ando> agreed.
(Fri 17:43:41) <Mugger84> As a result of the assumption that wg were to crash a vr vs df fight, vr have seemed to have chosen to plant a spy in wg and on top of that crash a dw vs vr fight the other day.
(Fri 17:43:52) <Mugger84> For the excuse of 'we threatened to crash you at some point'
(Fri 17:43:56) -tripwire.uk.eu.SwiftIRC.net:@#wg- RobbieBot invited Nirvanas into the channel.
(Fri 17:44:31) <Mugger84> Just like to clarify that as Warlord, I issued a public statement following some rowdy member's posts on rsc explaining that the wg leadership had no intention of even dreaming of crashing a fight, as it went against everything that we stood for.
(Fri 17:45:23) <Ando> Yea understood, but the fact of the matter is out of the 399 opts that crashed us how was we to know that a clan that "Said" they was going to back TT no matter what didnt show up?
(Fri 17:45:42) <Mugger84> Wait you think we actually crashed you? lol :S
(Fri 17:45:42) <Ando> i mean as far as VR is concerned the situation between VR + WG wont happen agen
(Fri 17:45:47) <Mugger84> I thought the issue was the threat
(Fri 17:45:58) <Mugger84> I can assure you that nobody crashed you from wg at all rofl
(Fri 17:46:12) <Mugger84> We were on a p2p raid at the same time lol
(Fri 17:46:25) <Mugger84> Nowhere near f2p nor greaters in fact :S
(Fri 17:46:39) <Ando> Well, see this is the problem you members on the RSC post claim to of massed with TT but then later on left to do your own thing
(Fri 17:46:41) <Ando> which is fine
(Fri 17:46:47) <Ando> but how was we supposed to know
(Fri 17:46:59) <Mugger84> Well to be fair you could have come asked one of our officials >.<
(Fri 17:47:05) -lunar.nl.eu.SwiftIRC.net:@#wg- RobbieBot invited Stokenut into the channel.
(Fri 17:47:06) <Mugger84> I was online at the time and would have been happy to clarify
(Fri 17:47:28) <Ando> Well, as far as I and VR are concerned WG + VR is over
(Fri 17:47:37) <Ando> unless WG wants it to continue.
(Fri 17:47:46) <Mugger84> Obviously not, we didn't even want anything to start.
(Fri 17:47:57) <Mugger84> However there still remains the problem of the spy in our ranks.
(Fri 17:48:06) <Mugger84> We'd want him/her widthdrawn obviously :S
(Fri 17:48:27) <Ando> There is no spy, it was just some 1 sending a VR member a pic saying GL
(Fri 17:48:34) <Ando> i dont know who it is
(Fri 17:48:37) <Mugger84> Not that pic
(Fri 17:48:56) <Mugger84> We removed one of our DF leaks and we got this picture from them:
(Fri 17:49:05) <Mugger84> http://i42.tinypic.com/2114428.png
(Fri 17:49:59) <Ando> i can assure u i dont know who the spy is the most i can do is try to find out
(Fri 17:50:11) <Mugger84> That would be incredibly kind.
(Fri 17:50:12) <Ando> it seems wierd i know all our other spys but no 1 has said anything about WG
(Fri 17:50:53) <Mugger84> Just like to add that I apologise for the confusion created as a result of our two or three members posting on rsc claiming they were 'coming to crash' with tt etc
(Fri 17:51:17) <Mugger84> And once again assue you that wg don't crash to suit other clan's needs.
(Fri 17:51:23) <Ando> no worries
(Fri 17:52:11) <Mugger84> I'll drop in with you in a day or two to see if you've managed to help us as far as the spy situation goes. We'd rather not have to continue a tit-for-tat situation. As i'm sure with VR, there are more important things to do

(Fri 17:53:01) <Ando> yep ill do my best but im pretty sure its not vr who has the spy lol

--Later, after speaking with DF (see below) --

(Fri 18:15:31) <Mugger84> apparently
(Fri 18:15:31) <Mugger84> (Fri 18:15:09) <DF Council> vr got more than 1 spy in wg
(Fri 18:26:12) <Ando> Well, like i say im normally the one that organises the spies, no offense unless some1s using one of your members accounts its not in VR
(Fri 18:26:18) <Ando> since i know all of vrs spies
(Fri 18:26:34) <Ando> all i can suggest is that u check who viewed your topics and check ips
(Fri 18:27:21) <Ando> Imo it would be a waste for some 1 to put a account in WG when it could be used for some one else

(Fri 18:28:58) <Mugger84> Well we're in the process of reviewing all IPs and Checking the topic view archives, but it'd be infinately less effort to simply reenforce a truce with a clan, than for me to spend five hours of my life reviwing needless numbers >:|

And with DF:

QUOTE (Conversation with DF Council)

(Fri 18:00:49) <Mugger84> Heya
(Fri 18:01:13) <Mugger84> Just finished a conversation with VR Council following the issues regarding 'pmg wg crashed vr vs df along with tt@@@@'
(Fri 18:01:36) <Mugger84> Having discussed the situation, we've pointed out and prooven that WG had no hand in any crashes.
(Fri 18:01:42) <Besty> i dont hink we got any issues with wg
(Fri 18:01:52) <Mugger84> Just like to formally apologise for the confusion that may have arisen with the situation.
(Fri 18:02:16) <Besty> no problem, we never blamed you for crashing
(Fri 18:02:44) <Mugger84> And also, just like to ask if you can widthdraw the spy that you've got planted. We'd rather avoid a tit-for-tat situation as VR put it when advising me to speak to you about it.
(Fri 18:03:12) <Besty> I'm not aware of any spy in WG
(Fri 18:03:52) <Mugger84> http://i42.tinypic.com/2114428.png
(Fri 18:03:56) <Mugger84> Got sent this by Dalejamesw
(Fri 18:04:00) <Mugger84> this morning.
(Fri 18:04:20) <Besty> I can assure you officals do not hold any WG forum account
(Fri 18:04:33) <Besty> It's possible Dalejamesw got a friend who send him this
(Fri 18:04:35) <Mugger84> Officials aren't usually the ones assigned to spying :S lol
(Fri 18:05:07) <Besty> Well as far as I know we never planned a spy in your clan and never asked members to do so
(Fri 18:05:36) <Mugger84> Alrighty - Any chance that at some point you could clarify that with people? Maybe even possibly request Dalejamesw to tell you how he came to recieve the screenshot? :S
(Fri 18:06:01) <Mugger84> It's obviously a spy instead of a friend, as Dale (being former council knowing where the spy trackers are) has blocked out all spy software
(Fri 18:06:17) <Besty> He probably blocked so your dont kick his friend
(Fri 18:06:27) <Mugger84> Possible
(Fri 18:06:32) <Mugger84> Anyway, any chance you could ask him?
(Fri 18:06:41) <Besty> Yea sure he's on now
(Fri 18:06:50) <Mugger84> Epic - Thanks - If he's on now I may as well wait

(Fri 18:06:58) <Besty> yea do so
(Fri 18:09:53) <Besty> DF - Dalejamesw says (19:07):
(Fri 18:09:53) <Besty> i used to have one
(Fri 18:09:53) <Besty> i dont anymore
(Fri 18:10:01) <Besty> DF - Dalejamesw says (19:09):
(Fri 18:10:01) <Besty> but that isnt my screenshot
(Fri 18:10:01) <Besty> which you just give me
(Fri 18:10:20) <Mugger84> (17:29:24) <Robertw56> GLENN
(Fri 18:10:20) <Mugger84> (17:29:28) <Robertw56> http://i42.tinypic.com/2114428.png
(Fri 18:10:20) <Mugger84> (17:29:34) <Robertw56> Dale just send me that
(Fri 18:10:20) <Mugger84> (17:29:38) <Robertw56> I gotta go eat...but shit
(Fri 18:10:43) <Mugger84> Dale sent the image to one of our members
(Fri 18:10:45) <Mugger84> So.. ye :S
(Fri 18:11:03) <Besty> DF - Dalejamesw says (19:10):
(Fri 18:11:03) <Besty> ya i got sent it and showed it rob
(Fri 18:11:14) <Mugger84> sent by?
(Fri 18:11:14) <Mugger84> :S
(Fri 18:14:03) <Besty> it was posted in irc
(Fri 18:14:18) <Besty> someone just said a line with pic
(Fri 18:14:18) <Mugger84> DF IRC?

(Fri 18:14:21) <Besty> in VR's irc
(Fri 18:14:28) <Mugger84> Does he remember who?
(Fri 18:14:35) <Besty> no he does not
(Fri 18:14:53) <Mugger84> k - thanks so much for your time - and once again sorry for the confusion about your war vs vr
(Fri 18:15:05) <Besty> np and apparently
(Fri 18:15:09) <Besty> vr got more than 1 spy in wg
(Fri 18:15:38) <Mugger84> Says dale?
(Fri 18:15:38) <Mugger84> :S
(Fri 18:15:43) <Besty> yea
(Fri 18:17:50) <Besty> i would strongly recommend
(Fri 18:17:58) <Besty> that all your members change passwords immediately
(Fri 18:18:29) <Mugger84> What makes you say that? :$
(Fri 18:18:57) <Besty> Well most spys are gathered by that way in smaller, unexperienced clans
(Fri 18:19:21) <Besty> Maybe one of your members is registered at VR forums and uses same pass in WG forums
(Fri 18:19:28) <Besty> it happened to us once
(Fri 18:19:33) <Besty> to FA i think
(Fri 18:19:37) <Besty> but we figured it out
(Fri 18:20:25) <Mugger84> Alrighty

Make of it what you will. Just posting to inform.

Conversations with VR and DF