To suit both parties

Over the past few weeks and months there have been a lot of disputes regarding training and attending wars. After talking to one of the Anti-War members I feel this compromise would suit everybody without reverting back to the flawed sector-system.

Our Runehead memberlist is used by all rival clans to size-up our strength and determine wars/runins. There is absolutely no point whatsoever in having members on there who aren't going to show up. So why don't we just remove them from the memberlist?

Why don't we impose an opt-out system for our long-standing members who by no means deserve to be kicked for not wanting to war despite just being dead weight on our memberlist.

We could allow all current members the option to be removed from the memberlist. This would have several implications, members removed from the memberlist would be:

-Not allowed to attend ANY clan-vs-clan events. This inclues allied PKs, Wars, Run-ins or competitive Clan vs Clan events like Fight Pits.
-Placed onto the emeritus memberlist.
-Retain their access to IRC, Froums and all community/skill related events.
-Option to opt back into the main memberlist (with agreement to become active on the PKing/Waring scene) at any time.

This would settle all disputes between the vast majority of WG who enjoy wars/raids and the persistent nagging from the few die-hard skillers that keep refusing to war.

This would also benefit the PKers because our Memberlist would become cleaner and contain only the members who would realistically turn up to a fight. One of the reasons we get owned so much is because despite our 80-man memberlist, a fair chunk of those people refuse to show up because they are "skillers".

Let's just give them what they want, It'll shut them up at least. They'll no longer be nagged to attend wars and our memberlist will be updated to give an accurate dictation our our strength. Everybody wins.

This will only apply to current members who got fucked over by the sectors closing. All new applicants are required to agree upon joining that they will remain active on the pking/waring front.

That's how I'd sort this problem anyway.

Epic Idea tbh, Removes our dead weight, that doesnt wanna Raid/PK. And will give us an accurate assessment of what we SHOULD pull to wars.

That works if you ask me.

One thing though: To avoid all accusations on us about 'Mass Recruiting' by transferring members from The Emeritus List to our accurate ML, We should impose a limit of one transfer per month max in my opinion. (If they're allowed to switch ML's, that is)

Mmm does sound like a good idea. I only think 5-10 people would opt out though so it's not too big of a deal removing them from the memberlist. One problem would be they might not have many events to attend, it's basically like them being emertius but plying runescape

good idea steve.

Being on the emeritus ml is fine, but I would want on the forum to be able to keep my rank. Maybe anyone without a rank could be *skiller*.

During skill wars, we would need to be added to the main list.

Edit:
I think being able to come to war trainings would be nice. Never know when someone might just improve and want to war.

I don't think we should ban the skillers from the combat events, because a number of them are in fact willing to go, it's that they don't want the pressure of having to train a majority of their game time to meet the desired combat levels.

Let them still be a full fledged member of WG.

I think we should create a war list (it's been suggested before) people that agree to be on the list, agree to try their hardest to make the wars. They will be punished for not showing up, returning and stuff that would be required of a fighter. The list would accurately show our strength in terms of fighting. So clans would use this to determine our combat capabilities.

HOWEVER

We would allow skillers to attend the wars, or PKRIs if they wish to. It shouldn't have to much of an impact on wars and such because we wouldn't expect them to turn up to the fights, and they wouldn't be required to.

I think that's a good compromise. Obviously we'd have different standards at that point. Activity for the war list would be made up of combat events mostly, and for those not on the list, they would be expected to attend the skiling/community events. Attending a number of the other group would be seen as going above what is needed from the member and such.

Yes, this is basically what the sectors did. I can't really think of a way to truly appease both sides without doing something that basically splits them up in this kind of manner. Keeping both parts as active members of the clan, but letting them do what they want.

I think my training proposal would be a good start if tweaked properly. It would require steady training but give those training a large amount of time to do what they want.

What if a skiller opts out, but wants to war for like once?

I don't like this Idea at all - It only gives options for people to opt out of clan events - which is not really what is needed in a clan which likes to maintain a strong community. We need to be able to make sacrifices for one another, with people 'anti skill' going to skill events and people 'anti war' coming to war events.

Also,

It's like breaking the entire clan into two... and that's been done before. How did it turn out again?

I had this Idea a few months ago, but kept it to myself because the cons outweighed the pros

~Mugger84

Death to skillers

Ok this is how i think it should work. We keep our current memberlist and we make a new list called the WG warring list very much like TDM. We then use our CURRENT memberlist FOR RAW wars. We use our NEW warring list for short prep fights, PKRI, clan wars ETC. Any1 who is on the warring list is EXPECTED to attend raids. Raids are optional for those on the CURRENT ML. So all we do is make a new ML call it WG warring and add our warring members. Exactly like it is done in TDM. It seems to work for them so why not for us ??

No, TDM's list isn't doing them any good right now. Trust me, it's acting like a clan within a clan. The member unrest about it is very huge.

I agree with the initial idea but definitely NOT Groedius' idea, I know what I'm saying from personal experience (One of the first members of TDM's war list, the issues that rose from it standing was huge).

It's not working for them, all what it's done is reduce their pulls super huge. TDM made the warring list because they pull 20'ish people to short prep wars out of their old 180 members ML at times. What it did is make sure the 20'ish is accurate.

Plus, look at what it's going to do to our recruitment, it'd make our ML way smaller and not as accurate as it seems because there are people who are skillers, don't like to PvP but don't mind coming to PvP events every once in a while. Also note that TDM has HUGE problems regarding some of their fights because they are accused of mass recruiting (As they can transfer 20 members at once to their warring list if people want, which doesn't really keep things clean).

Personally I like the initial idea because it'd mean future members will help us out, but I'd rather stay as we are right now instead of making a TDM-like warring memberlist.

What about those members who do want to war and pk but dont train.. *colin* i mean i know some of them like to war but they will still make us look weak.

Nontheless good work steve not just jacking off all the time are you.. just most of the time

Sounds like a great idea.

Doesn't sound like a split as the other people were suggesting with sector.s

If we're going to go in this direction, why not just have a "Skiller" rank that's excused from mandatory PvP events. I don't like it because it'd just be a glorified/ostracized welfare rank, but it's better than doing nothing at all. Maybe.

I propose that we do not need a specific rank/memberlist for two or three individuals as it would only cause people to become lazy and see it as a way to escape war activity. We're not splitting the clan.

~Mugger84