Rate The Clan

Just a survey to gauge the level of satisfaction.
I'm working on more events, more recruitment, more strength.
Consider everything: Community, events, strength, skills, pride...

If you want this to be a straight-up poll without conversation, I give you full permission to delete this. Otherwise, I'd like to explain my rating, because it was a little low.

Highlight to Read: [HIGHLIGHT]Usually if someone just asks me to rate something, I take a quick look spin out a number and move on. But I've really come to hold WG to a much higher standard than I would anything else. As a clan, I think we're phenomenal. Great friendships, great community, very laid-back and willing to work with people to make the whole experience work for them. If this wasn't so important I'd just give it a 10 and move on.

But there are other things that bother me, and have been bothering me for pretty much my entire stay here. One is the easy maintenance of the status quo. I'm an outsider really, that's just my personality. I've never held a leadership position and I doubt I ever will. I also would not presume to tell anyone how to do their jobs outside voicing my own opinion on the matter (take it or leave it more or less, although I can very vehement about it).

The status quo. I hate it. I realize it's so much easier to lead when things are settled and in order, but I see it and all I see is WG stagnant in a muck pool. We're unwilling to war to the extent of alienating our own members but we're unwilling to back off warring enough to make skilling an aspect of the clan, and so we're stuck in limbo, doing everything and nothing and definitely getting nowhere at all.

People think as long as we're not screaming and bitching the hell out of each other then everything's fine, but it's not! The underlying cause is still here and it'll come up and cause trouble as hit has for years until it's settled once and for all, either by kicking out the skillers or giving them back a place in WG. Burn out the rot in our guts, fix the boat and let's GO SOMEWHERE!

It's because of this neglect and apparent unwillingness to take any initiative on a topic that I believe is absolutely essential to everyone in the clan that I rated this a 6/10.[/HIGHLIGHT]

Edit: What Randy said.

Voted.

I'm very disappointed by the lack of effort to attend raids and (some) wars. I don't think pulling 7 people to a raid is acceptable in a clan this size, and then when we try to do some kind of activity boosting ideas they get ignored. Once people attend raids and we pull lots of people, they'll realize that they're fun. I wish people would try more.

I'm happy with the community and the welcoming of new people. Not "everyone" ends up fitting into WG, but those who do stay a very long time. It's good to see a handful of members stick with us through the thick and thin, and try their best to make WG a better place.

Under 5 for me, Many reasons, but all things put together i couldn't rate it more.

Maybe it's becuase i've seen what Wg can achieve and been there when we we're a force.

But the only thing going good atm is our Community, everything else is pretty poor atm, and can be uppded.

I'm actually pretty happy where we are right now, I voted 8. Love the community, events are original ideas, and I'm very proud to be in WG. Only downside is the whole skillers vs. warmongers, which seems to have died down. But its still there. Skillers feel inferior to the warmongers, its the way it always has been.

Still, things are mostly good.

Well I can't speak from a ton of clan experience like Slayer since I haven't even been here a year yet, but I think we are doing well in terms of community and skilling. Obviously we are very active in the JSC even if we don't win it, but the point is that people give up hours of their time to give WG a good standing and try their hardest.

The thing I am most disappointed about is the same thing most others seem to be bothered by. We can't seem to have a raid of even 10 people without inviting several friends. We allied with TBE yesterday, and even then we had...what MAYBE 20 people? We could be a good p2p clan if people would just be open to some things, and realize that p2p pvp raids aren't as bad as they think. I think I've been to every single pvp event we've held in the past few months, except ones that were held during school, or aussie times.

Of course I don't expect everybody to come to a raid, but when there are 30 people in the irc that all could easily come to a raid, it's a bit pathetic to see 5 people massing.

I don't know what it will take to convince WG that p2p isn't some horrible deal where you lose 500k per death, and get owned by huge clans over and over, but if there is ANY WAY I'll get on it asap.

I still strongly believe that while skilling can be a good part of a clan, warring is really what brings people close and strengthens bonds and trust.

I wrote out a big post explaining what I think about WG, but all I was doing was rambling. I voted 7. I feel WG is doing well everywhere apart from attendance. I feel if we get good attendance to all events, and events create an atmosphere which attracts members (by creating a place where you enjoy the game without too much clicking, and can socialise and make new bonds with members), I think WG will be a much more complete place. Events need to be something members enjoy, rather than something which they need to graduate, or to keep them from being kicked. Events need to be something members would attend if attendance wasn't on offer.

When WG's events are like the above, with 10 or more people attending every single skilling event, and more than 20 people attending every single raid, then WG will be a much better place.

A short answer: good community, kind of low in events like wars/pk's but the good efforts of the leadership makes it a better place to stay.

I agree with wayne. This clan has a lot of potential and a lot of effort has been put into it to make it work. Its also got a good atmosphere. However, there is a stagnancy which needs new life putting into it. The key thing for us to work on is events. More attendance, and a sustained variety of non-wilderness events is the way forward. How can we get more attendance? That's down to trial and error to discover really.

Rated 7 out of 10, solely from an RS-inactive perspective.


I've never been an event-active member -- and, it goes without saying, I'm Emeritus.
However, the primary reason I've stuck with this clan is because of the strong community.

I've become familiar with a fundamental question: If things got ugly, would you stay?
The fact that we can still hang out and chat like a bunch of assholes, to me, indicates a good relationship; good camaraderie.

That being said, on the other hand, there does seem to be something lacking in the clan.
The clan used to be so rich with pride and passion. Although we may not have been the most powerful clan in terms of game statistics, we had something many other clans didn't have: genuine spirit.

I think it's still possible to unleash that same kind of clan spirit.
The problem is finding what it takes to unleash it.


I would suggest some solutions, but I'm Emeritus. There's only so much I can calculate in my current state.

8. I've been attending events and the like with WG, and finally got re-accepted as a member. From what I've seen I'm very happy, but not 10/10 happy. Then again, I havn't seen it all, so me voting in the poll really a fair way to gauge? I don't know. I did vote however.

I voted 7.
WG to me right now is very mediocre in all aspects outside of the community.

Voted, nothing really to add besides my already well known opinions.

6 out of 10.

NEGATIVITY ALERT! Do not read this section if you are weak.

The community isn't what it used to be, but it's still good.

We aren't as powerful as we used to be.

I have disagreed with a few decisions made by council+ lately, but most of it was Mugger, so problem solved..lulz

Most people are inactive. The sign-ups for the war vs. DF (a huge, important event) are disappointing. Like..20-30 people have posted some kind of reply, out of 66 members and 35-40 emeritus.

Also, we're kind of a giant fucking joke among all the other clans of the clan world and it gets to me sometimes. Nobody respects us.




BUT, the good side is that most of the problems in WG are easy fixes, or are being worked on right now. This clan has a lot of potential and if we don't do anything terribly stupid, we can grow into the powerful and fun-filled clan that we used to be.

Good things: the website and forums of course, variety of events, people generally being friendly and helpful....blah blah blah..you know..

6/10

If everyone attends raids/wars then I would vote 9/10 or 10/10.

I voted 8.

Even though this clan has many downs and things about PvPing with Raids & Wars, I think WG is the best clan out there. Therefor I don't think any clan does better than 8 on a scale from 1-10.
We might not beat any clan in anything (meby skilling) in RuneScape, but we still have the community and spirit in the clan. That's why I'm here, that's why I stay.

Nulled my vote since I have been very inactive recently. Was thinking somewhere around a 7 or 8. Community is a big thing for me, and its what keeps me here, although things can always be worked on.

I voted an 8 and was surprised to see that it was a commonly
chosen vote. By listening in forums and in irc, I expected more
low votes since I hear alot of complaining, especially about low
turn out for raids.
So, my assumption now is that even though there is plenty of
complaining all around, most ppl must be generally happy with
the clan overall, or it wouldn't have gotten so many 8s. Maybe
some of you thrive on whining???

As for me, I enjoy the community and felt lost when the forum
and irc were both down, and I do enjoy all the events, even the
raids. I get pretty pissed off though when certain ppl, (glenn)
are pretty dam rude (yeah you are) when you are on for a few
minutes but can't plan on being on long enough to mass for an
impromptu raid or event, or are just too tired at the end of
a 10 hour workday to attend. I make most of the weekend raids
and wars which are usually planned in advance.

WG could win every PKRI and war, have a million members and 100% event attendance and we'd be no better off than we are now if we don't hammer out this skiller thing.

Ya getting anyone to come enough is hard. It is kinda embarrassing really

I really wish people in WG were more open to scaping together as well.
I've been in IRC bored probably 10 times and asked if anyone wanted to do anything in RS, and I generally get dead silence.

The game is more fun when played in groups, and even if it is just 2-3 people skilling, fighting a boss, or playing a minigame together, that is better than the status quo or everyone go off to their own little corner of RS, only come out for events maybe, and meet in IRC.

Plus if we get into a habit of scaping together, more people will join in, and you get activity and comraderie as a result.

But it won't happen.

Voted. I voted a seven (7) because nothing ever gets a 10. Until I joined WG, I essentially soloed RS and only interacted with a limited number of people except for Joe. When I decided to try a clan, Joe was there and I attended your public anniversary event and I was very impressed. During my introduction, a number of you stepped up and made me feel welcome. Community was what I was looking for and community I found. WG not and WG forever.

I did not go higher than a seven (7) because of the skiller/war rift. Members as a category are extremely creative and member interaction with management even management with the best intentions will always be rough. The closest real world management equivalent is a movie production. The producer, director and actor, "talent" interaction is a nightmare with the only real bond being money and possibly Oscars or professional recognition.

WG's bond is the community. The skiller/war rift cannot be resolved. Some of the tension could possibly be reduced by separately polling each member independently to determine their position on the issue of war as opposed to skilling. There is a definite division. As a followup if someone is not entirely opposed to warring, what do they want that would encourage them to attend war events. In my case, it would be training so that I would feel comfortable with fighting. The same goes for skilling events. There are some people that like skilling and some that absolutely hate it. The key is finding out what each individulal wants and then meeting those needs if possible. Any interaction with talented individuals will NEVER result in 100 percent satification--50 percent would likely be the best result possoble.

8/10, as this is my first RS clan, I have a slender idea of what "good" attendance is, or what "good" community is.

I love this place, and although I am taking a little break from Runescape, WG will always be my freakin' home. Just a few more people for attendance, and every now and then there is the occasional annoying person.

But guess what!?

There will always be THAT GUY and there is no way around it. You learn it, acknowledge it, and move on. It's life.

Thought this one over for a couple of days. I'd usually put a more insightful post in, but I'm going to keep it brief Nevermind, its too late.


I rated it a 6 or 7, cant remember

My main problem: Dedication and unity.

From a leaders point of perspective, when we pull 10 people to a raid, its really discouraging. The only thing you can hope for is to kill stranglers, find a smaller team, or go hunting for certain "clans" (PH). Even for regular events, the turnout is mediocre. I'm not going to blame other people for being lazy, cause I know I've occasionally been lazy myself. Maybe its the quality of the events that discourages people, or maybe its the lack of unity and drive to work together.

For example, I've seen people that REFUSE to war/raid. In contrast, there are some people such as Rachel and Mmangler, who try very hard to learn even though they're not accustomed to it. Really, it makes me proud to see people fighting hard to try to change things for the better of the clan. As a Raid Leader, one of the worst things you can hear is not a loss, or someone saying they cant come. Its hearing someone who just says no because they dont want to. This paragraph isnt a rant about skillers , but it just basically encompasses the frusteration I feel when people are defiant because they're allowed to be and the system protects them.

Maybe I'm blaming members too much. I probably am, because its not all WG's fault. I will admit myself, and many other of the leaders will too probably, that we are slacking. Many of us aren't doing our job as well as we should be (I know I could do much better). Our recent slump has alot to do with leaders. I've felt like throwing in the towel countless of times, but I've promised myself to continue until I've set things right.

Another thing that we claim to have the best of is community. I've been thinking alot about our community. Can we really say it's the best? Can we all truthfully say that we have the best community in the clan world? Or is it something we just hear often and have come to take it as fact? I think the mass leavings a month or two ago really showed us how fragile our community is. I remember going on IRC, and hearing dead silence for 30-60 minutes at 3:00pm EST. Its improved since then, but the only way to improve OUR community further is by getting involved.

There was a time where I could proudly say that WG had the best community. But now, many of us are burned out. I know that Saads been struggling, and Randy looks likes hes going to go off one day. We need to something that we can all really get behind. Times running out, and so is our lifeline. Change needs to happen. We're only in the eye of the storm. Theres still much to come.

Some of you know, I joined a P2P pvp Team recently called Ancient Fury. We have a 45ish man ML. Its relatively small, and we're not as great as other established p2p teams/clan. However, when I joined, I felt very welcome. When we found out there was a cluster at GDZ, we massed up for literally 15 minutes and pulled 20 people. Why? Its not because the clan is based around one timezone. Its not because OMG THERES A CLUSTER FR33 LOOT. Its because they WANT to be there. We can't force people to enjoy everything, but we need to make it as enjoyable as possible.

We need something to rally behind on. We need to make our events as qualitative as can be and we need everyone to give their best, when it counts, together, instead of wasting it on trivial things. People need to start getting involved, instead of sitting back and doing nothing. Only then could we ever claim to have the best community of the entire clan world.

^ thats when its fun to mass TB everyone.

I rated us a 7. I love everyone in the clan and have so many close friends. That part made me want to vote 10. I love coming in irc and saying hello to everyone and getting 2 or 3 pm right away and chatting with friends. Many of you support me in my own forum and encourage me with my 100 days. This is why WG IS THE BEST COMMUNITY.

Skilling had always been my favorite part of being in any clan cause I'm a skiller at heart. WG crushed that in me and I've had to try to change. The constant bickering and even being told to leave by some made it not fun. But when you love your friends you learn to compromise even your own fun in a game you love to play. I hardly ever attend any skills events now and when I do I feel a guilt that is unbelievable. I feel like I should be training my combat or doing something to improve in raids and wars. This also means I play rs less cause this is just not as enjoyable to me. This is the only reason for the 7. I took off 30% for the guilt I'm given.

Raiding and wars are fine with me. I don't mind coming to anything. I am slower at getting to stuff and like 10 minutes is barely enough time for me to figure out what I'm wearing, eating or even going. (Andrew is an Angel with helping me. ILU<3)

Then there is TS. I absolutely hate that our TS is not the one we use for our raids. It is mostly why I am having trouble with raiding. By the time I finally even get someone to try to help me figure it out the raid is over.

People have greatly improved on their attitude towards people like me when we come along on raids. I don't hear so much grumbling about what I'm doing. I guess with attendance the way it is they are just happy I come.

I have seen Spenser attacked in IRC about his decision to be on a non-war list and that just is disturbing to me. That list is here for a reason and the ones that are directing their low attendance frustrations at the non-war people need to realize it only hurts friendships and not just the person your attacking.

I'm picking a few different people each week to get to know and building new friendships all the time. If everyone would do that and not just stay in cliche then we would grow in community and numbers of intros that actually stay with us. Some people are great at recruiting and others need to just make them feel welcome.



IF RICK HAMM WERE UNBANNED AND ALLOWED BACK MY NUMBER WOULD OF BEEN HIGHER!!!!!!!!!!!!! I MISS RICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!


edit:spelling

I voted 9 because even to know we have some flaws with laziness of members and people not attending raids, we have an awesome community here in wg and i love you all so much Its been an awesome 3 years and 1 month and I would say I am proud to be an wilderness guardian.

Guardian for life

rate of an 8

the mass leavings, complaints, fights, rants. etc.

its annoying and its taking its toll....

in any case, an 8 just because we have the tools to succeed its just we don't use them adequately

i gave an 8
we are doing better but we still need to get more ppl attending
with our numbers on ml we should be able to pull 40 because of the emeritus
some ppl complaining about stuff that can be easly solved

NICE BUMP