Mandatory or Not!

When you post an event and no one signs up the first you should ask is why? Then reread the post, does it make sense? Will everyone understand? What else is going on that might negatively affect attendance? How can I motivate attendance?

Well lets see, I choose to skip all but the later and go straight to first elevating my event to a mandatory attendance, and then checking to see which poor saps have their friends on and pm them "Come or else get a 20% warning!" Oh and since the person you pmed is responding, keep them in the dark. Tell them they should know. Oh and then refer them to the non-comprehensible post regarding the event. And when asked to clarify keep repeating - "You should know!" Guess what - I DID NOT KNOW! AND YES I HAD READ THE POST, BUT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IN THE PM DID NOT MAKE A CONNECTION TO THAT POST!" Hence frustration, anger and disappointment. I am really proud I did not just turn my friends off. No the person doing the threatening, threatened me and "hung up".

This is not a good example of people skills and if this person were a member of my staff they would find themselves sitting in leadership classes as well as sensitivity classes followed up by harassment classes.

I understand the warring, and I try, I really do. Can't you just appreciate that I do my best. I have a combat level that helps our average. But I really really am rotten at fighting. I simply do not have the refleckes for it anymore. But I can skill circles around anyone. Remember I do come and I do try.

Does anyone really want to know what I see and hear and personally experience doing things with this clan???? Remember I am a very grown up adult and I sit on my mouth all the time because I know you want to have fun. But you really should see yourselves from my perspective.

Maybe this means I should leave. I don't know, I just don't know. I love the clan!

The Council wants the clan to be more and it could be, but there has to be a lot more maturity. It is easy to be a child, but even a child can be mature. And an older person can be young at heart, yet mature. It is not a mutually exclusive trait.

Please this is my reaching out to council that you all say you want. Pleae, don't just ignore me!!!!

I have a few things to say to this, and I have a feeling I may not be too popular because I'm saying this, but I speak the truth.

1) Why does it seem every post you make is in level 2? Just because it is the highest security forum you can view doesn't make it necessary to post here. This is more of a rant than anything.
2) You don't seem to realize that this clan is primarily made up of teenagers, with a few young adults. Vulgar language is expected, hopefully not overused (which rarely ever happens, and most certainly didn't today) Also the fact that you are older than everyone else doesn't give you the right to talk down to other people, calling them immature and unable to lead.
3) The person in question has been under extreme stress lately in this position. Its not fun being a leader (See: Tert+) when your followers can't follow simple instructions. You feel as if your hard work (Yes, it is hard work) is going completely to waste. I'm sorry to say it, but the topic was extremely easy for me to find, read, and understand it. If this was not the case, you should ask for assistance before the event, not 10 minutes after it was supposed to start.

Although this isn't directed at you, I feel as this must be said. There was a time in WG, about 2-3 years ago, where members would attend any event as long as they were online. You're friends list would be full of green because everyone was at the same event. A simple thing like a fully green friends list makes you happy knowing you're in a great clan of friends. With this booming attendance, the events were always fun. When a person notices "Wow, that event was awesome" they start attend more events, expecting similar quality. If everyone had attended a certain event while online, this trend would continue. Every event would be enjoyable for all, even if the activity in question isn't what you enjoy most. You may not want to believe it, but its true. Boring activities can turn out to be very fun!

I post in level 2 because that is where things like this should be handled. And I appreciate your input, but do not forget I was council once. I know how hard it can be. And with that in mind I say what I say. (It is nice that you understood it, I repeat I did not. Now what?????)

You don't sit on council to get kudos or appreciation. If you expect that you will not last long. You do the best you can, over and over again. You can not force people to do things and if you punish them they usually push away not toward. And the community suffers.

We have been suffering for a while, but it is up to us senior members to repair the culture. This is where it starts and ends. But what I said needs to be heard as well.

I do not want to hurt his feelings, rather I want to tell him to toughen up and be a leader. You get back what you give out!!!!!!! And he got exactly that! Patronize adults at your own peril!!!! So the whole clan does not need to know this. Excuse me for repeating myself. It starts with us and it ends with us. You choose happy or sad.

I choose happy and do not want anyone around who will rain on that parade.

When I post because of this sort of thing it will be in the main forums on the Good bye topic!!!!!

im so confused as to what actually happened.

maybe you could do with some making stuff more clear as well.

from what i understand:

- someone made an event that you didnt understand what would happen in this event.

or

- someone made an event and tried to say it was mandatory.

ya, that

What i think Kristy is getting at is this new IA about the event attendance push and shes saying that not all people like every different type of event. Like for example Kristy lives to Skill more then she likes to do PK. So this means she might not attend as many PKs but she still tries her best to help. She thought that the post meant that she would be pushed and others to attend more PKs, or skills events when the person does not really like those events. Shes trying to say that if we try to push this people too far to attend an event say for example if they do not come to warn them then we would be damaging the community of WG, and as we all know WG is known for its close community and friendship.

I'm confused as to what is being talked about here...

It seems like someone made an event, and you were unsure about something (time, place, what was needed) and they directed you somewhere to find out the information.

Either, you never saw the post with the information, or you did and it wasn't clear.

I'm really not sure what the situation is here.

What I can comment on is the need for more maturity. I think our relaxed quality has seeped into everything this clan is about (events, community, etc.). We need to be serious when it's required and at the same time be able to joke around when we have the opportunity.

Kristy, if you want to talk more about this, I'm open to everything.

I just think that the situation could have been handled by both sides, but I will agree that saad overracted by threatening to kick people for not attending.

He's under alot of stress atm.

It is not worth it!

I have seen this Kristy, we have talked this evening about this+ similar issues.
And I will post my full thoughts on the matter, first thing tomorrow morning. If that's ok? , it's late here

~George

There is no first off, i will just write as everything i am saying is of equal importance.

-You were not on TS, so you would not know of what went on.
-I did NOT sign off of runescape until the event was over, in which case you did not attend.
-I did NOT swear at you as where i couldn't have because all of our conversation was in-game on runescape.
-You cannot say you know me well because this whole topic proves otherwise.
-The threats i made are just for pushing, i did indeed not warn anyone. And in my 1 YEAR having this power haven't EVER given out any warn levels.
-Do not speak to me about maturity. You being an elder and me being 15 does not make a difference in our maturity level. Being in a clan for 3 months or 3 years, if you cannot commit i say you either leave or you go emeritus. You are the one being immature saying you would leave over such a little thing.
-I've had this position for over a year, i know about what goes on. I've been in the clan for over 2 years, i know about what goes on. I don't think inexperienced would make such sense here.
-I'm going under pressure? Hmm let me think, because i was trying to host an event, explain things on TS, speak to you and the other 5-10 people online who didn't attend, and do other WG/RL work.
-If you hadn't understood the event, like Mike had said you should have asked whatever was needed to know before the event. And NOT 20 minutes after it had started. It was an extremely lame excuse.
-If I'm not mistaken, i have seen you at almost 0 events. I'm active, I'm way above active. I attend enough events to know who goes to what and i know you haven't been.

I can say so much more but I'll leave it to if you guys really want to hear it.

~Saad



EDIT: And like i said you to privately. If you have been woodcutting 24/7 then 6 hours over a weeks time should be a piece of cake. What you should have done is came to the event.

You should look at this from a Council view point. You honestly have no idea or have forgotten how much abuse WE receive. Every day, every time we log into IRC, every time we do ANY decision. Every ban, every activity check, every change to WG evokes a huge, unnecessary emotion from members that just want to jump the gun. I get flamed all the time. I deal with it. Now we do one thing and you panic.
Starz, you assume we are all 25 year old mature adults. You're ranting in the wrong place. If this was a work office, I would fully support something like this. However, this is a VIRTUAL community of people that are together by a COMPUTER GAME. Its primarily done by kids, teenagers, and VERY young adults. No one cares about manners, etc. We are better than that.
I think this is a cry for attention. No one besides you really has a problem with the "WG attitude," which is full freedom on IRC.

Glenn you make it seem like i did act immature. And you are sadly mistaken.

Its not worth it! I am done!